BRIGGS wrote:Rose played great— as good as u can. But should we stick with Payton or Frank to play the firstv4 minutes to keep the cohesion of our rotation the same? Can’t we just ask Payton or frank give us your all for 4-5 min? Play good d move the ball make open shots? That keeps our rotations the way they are. F with rotations now will likely fail.

This is what I’m thinking. We need to roll how we rolled all season. In the end us winning or losing is up to RJ and Randle.

It has nothing to do with what Payton/Frank not contributing. Frank/Payton’s biggest contribution if they play is by keeping tray in front of them the best they can

If they make shots we are in huge bonus

I agree that Payton and Frank need to start 3 min a piece and play agggresively with their feet and not their hands by not putting tray to the line and going into the penalty to early.

We need 5-6 min total from both of them giving 110 percent “smart” defensive effort

Jmpasq wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Frank is not a PG, Frank should mostly be paired with a strong ball handle creator.

Rose/Frank or Frank/Burks with Burks acting as primary

Frank was never a PG. I can't believe that's still being pushed here. He is a sub par ball handler with at best average court vision. Frank has value, but he needs to be paired with a ball dominant guard. Frank should guard the best player 1-3, and shoot 3's. If he does that he is a rotation player. He is baically the 2nd or 3rd wing off the bench type player (9th or 10th man)

And when Elf was starting he wasn't really the faciliatator either.

Maybe it makes sense to play Frank and let Randle play point forward in hopes of getting him outta this rut. Not like he isn't used to bringing the ball up or facilitating averaging 6 ast. If the Hawks wanna bring the double out high I say great since it SHOULD lead to easier open looks for everyone. Or even a give and go if Gallo is out there.

Frank > Elf to knock down an open look. Much better than Elf getting stuffed over and over and dragging ass back to the other end.

Jmpasq wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Frank is not a PG, Frank should mostly be paired with a strong ball handle creator.

Rose/Frank or Frank/Burks with Burks acting as primary

Frank was never a PG. I can't believe that's still being pushed here. He is a sub par ball handler with at best average court vision. Frank has value, but he needs to be paired with a ball dominant guard. Frank should guard the best player 1-3, and shoot 3's. If he does that he is a rotation player. He is basically the 2nd or 3rd wing off the bench type player (9th or 10th man)

Start Frank! Neither Rose, Payton or Bullock have the ability to stay in front of Trae consistently. Anything he gives on the offensive end, will be a plus. Letting Trae run around unguarded will be our demise. This is the "situational substitution" that's screaming to be made.

That said I would start Frank to see if it disrupts Trae's rhythm and then bring in Rose for scoring.

Ultimately if Randle and RJ could score it would give us more flexibility on how to deploy Rose.

Welpee wrote:

sealy wrote:And when Elf was starting he wasn't really the faciliatator either.

Maybe it makes sense to play Frank and let Randle play point forward in hopes of getting him outta this rut. Not like he isn't used to bringing the ball up or facilitating averaging 6 ast. If the Hawks wanna bring the double out high I say great since it SHOULD lead to easier open looks for everyone. Or even a give and go if Gallo is out there.

Frank > Elf to knock down an open look. Much better than Elf getting stuffed over and over and dragging ass back to the other end.

Exactly. Half the time Randle was bringing the ball up court anyway. What does Payton do that Frank can't? If we want to be real, neither Frank or Payton are playing like competent PGs so what are you losing playing Frank?

I think Barrett is a competent enough ball handler that I might be happy with him bringing up the ball. Also thought he might be able to out size Trae if he picked up the defensive assignment with a “big” lineup of Barrett/Burks/Bullock/Randle/Noel

I would focus on Barrett to initiate offense and try and get Randle a few easy buckets to get the game started. Get him his mojo. Bring in Rose for Barrett for a short rest and let Rose initiate. Bring Barrett back on the court with Toppin when Randle gets a spell. Try and keep 2 of Rose/Barrett/Randle on the court.

Other thought is just to play our game, win or lose and get out youth players playoff experience. Let them feel the pressure and either Rose (like Toppin) or run away screaming (Payton). Either way, grow the team.

VDesai wrote:To me this had nothing to do with it. We would have gotten our asses rolled in the first instead of the 2nd.

That said I would start Frank to see if it disrupts Trae's rhythm and then bring in Rose for scoring.

Ultimately if Randle and RJ could score it would give us more flexibility on how to deploy Rose.

I think Im with you. Use Frank to put ball pressure on Young to start the game. Focus on pressuring Young as a game plan. We need Barrett and Randle to pick up on offense. Frank can do enough on offense to garner 14-18 minutes to spell Rose and give a new look defensively.