If I was the put a figure on salary currently after 3 games in the playoff I would say a slight raise is adequate.

What would be Randle value as a free agent (after option exercised) on the open market if he performs poorly the remaining games?

Jokingly if he sucks the next 2 games some of his money needs to go to anotber pg or wing for the team who can play when it counts lol

Ok Knicks if the ship is going down vs the hawks let’s atkeast go out classy/fighting 7 games... good progress in the overall picture

Everyone needs to bring their best effort and offensive game Sunday afternoon. Not just 2 guys!!

xblvdels3 wrote:Thoughts ?

If I was the put a figure on salary currently after 3 games in the playoff I would say a slight raise is adequate.

What would be Randle value as a free agent (after option exercised) on the open market if he performs poorly the remaining games?

Jokingly if he sucks the next 2 games some of his money needs to go to anotber pg or wing for the team who can play when it counts lol

Ok Knicks if the ship is going down vs the hawks let’s atkeast go out classy/fighting 7 games... good progress in the overall picture

Everyone needs to bring their best effort and offensive game Sunday afternoon. Not just 2 guys!!

TripleThreat wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:Thoughts ?

When blkexec talks about "blaming the fans", he's talking about flip flopping impulsive reactions like this. I don't agree with him when he says it, I find it toxic in the times that he's said it and I recognize if you looked at ALL of Knicks fandom, it's usually only a few very loud voices who repeat the same flip flopping impulsive reactions. Saying blame the fans is tone deaf and just plain dumb and denies some pretty basic mathematics. Because it besmirches all fans into one big lump and that's not realistic. On the flip side, flip flopping impulsive reactions like this are also dumb because having a winning team that can contend is simply a very long road in the NBA and it's insane to expect the Knicks to turn this around after 20 plus years of self implosion.

If Randle played like the second coming of Oscar Robertson mixed with Joe Namath? Use the team option year and evaluate him further next season. Get more information to make a huge decision that could help/haunt this team for a decade.

If Randle played like the second coming of Anthony Bennett mixed with Vernon Gholston? Use the team option year and evaluate him further next season. Get more information to make a huge decision that could help/haunt this team for a decade.

What's the most likely case? Randle is better than his first season with the Knicks but less than his breakout year this year. Somewhere in the middle. That's what a rational analytics department will assess as a first take and they will likely be right.

Can a player cost himself tens and tens of millions in just a few mere minutes or a handful of games Sometimes. It's actually more rare than people think. The media likes to spark that controversy but most front offices are actually more conservative than most fans would expect or realize.

If Brock Aller believes Julius Randle was prime for regression past this season ( and I'd agree with him to be honest), he'd have come to that conclusion LONG BEFORE the series with the Hawks started.

You don't play 6-7 full season in the NBA and magically turn into something else very dramatic as a player. That's not realistic either.

If Brock Aller says Randle shouldn't get a max offer, he's made that decision long before Trae Young and his bull**** antics showed up.

That's the deal. That's how it works. It's quite boring actually. And since that doesn't sell clickbait on ESPN, they give you something else to try to incite a fanbase.

A man can be emotional and still be strong. However a man who is frantic proves his weakness. "Hot Takes" are not about emotion, it's about being frantic.

I’m not flip flopping. I’m just assessing actual dollars and cents value. We need Randle on the team.

Your take is correct though. They have already assessed Randle value.

Your points are wise

jskinny35 wrote:For me it feels unfair to place too much blame on Randle - he's not really getting the same looks as in the regular season - because it's the playoffs and the pressure/defensive intensity is much higher. I'm gonna repeat what I said earlier in the season... and then Randle will probably have a big game 4 :) It's much easier to shut down/limit a power 4 who dominates the ball when the offense runs through him - that's not his or anyone's fault as our roster has poor balance. Randle is in good shape for a 4 but he's still a (at times) plodding 4 that backs down into the offensive sets... much easier to double team that. Trae is the Hawks engine and we can't even stay close to him - that has something to do with why their outside shooters are shooting many wide open threes. Our engine is Randle who's footspeed limits the floor spacing needed - and our shooters (save Bullock) are nowhere close to the threats Bogs, Gallinari, Huerter, etc

If you swap out Randle for a similar producing player at the 2/3 (who plays faster) you get better ball movement and it's much harder to swarm the player. Randle is not Giannis with an ability to overpower most physically/athletically... he doesn't have Lebron's match of skill, ball-handling and passing. Who else runs a power 4 as the focal guy offensively? Randle has been a jack of all trades/master of none mostly - really good at most facets of the game but doesn't have that one exceptional thing needed to overcome when he's swarmed all game. I guess we could say during the regular season he shot so well from outside that it made it much harder to double/swarm him - but that's not happening this series.

Again - if he were on the Bucks he would be doing better as they have 4 guys around him that can all hit the 3 consistently. When he gets swarmed - the Hawks double and send the other 2 to Bullock as Payton, RJ and Noel haven't hit much. Rose has shot really well from 3, but it's also because he can drive and create so it's not like he just sits outside waiting for a kick out (like Bullock who doesn't create much). RJ has really played poorly and looks like he still hasn't figured out where to go when Randle gets swarmed. I do think when our defensive intensity raises, combined with Randle making better decisions (when swarmed) and someone besides Rose contributing offensively - that's when we're playing well enough to offset the Hawks shooting onslaught.

Bottom line - whether he plays better in the rest of the series... we will either need to a)change offense to be built around Randle, b) find shooters at every position, c) land an alpha PG (Lillard) to take the ball out of Randle's hands and use him more as an offensive threat.

Sounds about right

Jmpasq wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:Thoughts ?

If I was the put a figure on salary currently after 3 games in the playoff I would say a slight raise is adequate.

What would be Randle value as a free agent (after option exercised) on the open market if he performs poorly the remaining games?

Jokingly if he sucks the next 2 games some of his money needs to go to anotber pg or wing for the team who can play when it counts lol

Ok Knicks if the ship is going down vs the hawks let’s atkeast go out classy/fighting 7 games... good progress in the overall picture

Everyone needs to bring their best effort and offensive game Sunday afternoon. Not just 2 guys!!

Yes, No way I max him out if this performance continues. I'm scared his play was result of playing in empty arenas. Its much easier to focus. Let him play out his deal. See what happens next year.

The time to trade Randle is this summer

Philc1 wrote:Unfortunately no. Randle still has plenty of leverage as he had an amazing regular season and will probably load up stat boxes next regular season

Knicks need to trade Randle and get assets or possibly even a superstar

What make you think a superstar will come if we trade away our so called best player.

Papabear wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Unfortunately no. Randle still has plenty of leverage as he had an amazing regular season and will probably load up stat boxes next regular season

Knicks need to trade Randle and get assets or possibly even a superstar

Papabear Says

What make you think a superstar will come if we trade away our so called best player.

Oh yeah that approach has worked wonders for us last 20 years

Trade Randle for assets or, I know this sounds crazy, a better player

All plans were based on a Randle who was confident and could score in the playoffs. Now this is questionable, so it leaves us in a precarious position going forward.

I really don’t know what to do or the next move.