Sexton is a former Rose client/ current CAA client. He’s young, can shoot and attack the basket. Thibs and Bryant can really push him to the next level. I feel like if Cleveland lands a high pick, I can see a Sexton to NY for Toppin and a couple draft picks. Maybe 20 and 32 this year for example. Just seems like a high upside move and always have to consider Rose will favor his previous clients. Cleveland just isn’t far enough along in their rebuild and Toppin on his contract joining Okoro, Garland, Allen and picks from this draft give them some more time to figure things out.

Knixkik wrote:Rumor is Cleveland may look to deal him ahead of extension talks. They can’t pay both he and Allen over 100 mil each. If Cleveland lands a top 4 pick it’s likely Cade or one of the Jalens. Garland and Sexton just don’t work together either.

Sexton is a former Rose client/ current CAA client. He’s young, can shoot and attack the basket. Thibs and Bryant can really push him to the next level. I feel like if Cleveland lands a high pick, I can see a Sexton to NY for Toppin and a couple draft picks. Maybe 20 and 32 this year for example. Just seems like a high upside move and always have to consider Rose will favor his previous clients. Cleveland just isn’t far enough along in their rebuild and Toppin on his contract joining Okoro, Garland, Allen and picks from this draft give them some more time to figure things out.

Interesting trade....Obi on the rise....sexton overpaid i believe? Besides the contract for a second, I agree that Thibs would push his career forward and he's an upgrade over Payton. Just worried about the money. Thought sexton signed a large contract which would cut into cap space. Are there cheaper options with similar production? I would think a pass first player, who can shoot is the need for this system. Sexton is a scorer first or rim attack guard who can also pass when necessary and shoot, but streaky. I never saw him as a pass first guard. So wouldn't that hurt the other players growth and development since RJ, Randle, Burks, Rose, Quickley, Bullock....all offensive players. We need a young Chris Paul type pass first dude. Most of them will be solid Jr or seniors coming out of college. Jalen Brunson type late first round pick player as an example....with some college experience and maturity in his offensive game as a true PG.

Knixkik wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Rumor is Cleveland may look to deal him ahead of extension talks. They can’t pay both he and Allen over 100 mil each. If Cleveland lands a top 4 pick it’s likely Cade or one of the Jalens. Garland and Sexton just don’t work together either.

Sexton is a former Rose client/ current CAA client. He’s young, can shoot and attack the basket. Thibs and Bryant can really push him to the next level. I feel like if Cleveland lands a high pick, I can see a Sexton to NY for Toppin and a couple draft picks. Maybe 20 and 32 this year for example. Just seems like a high upside move and always have to consider Rose will favor his previous clients. Cleveland just isn’t far enough along in their rebuild and Toppin on his contract joining Okoro, Garland, Allen and picks from this draft give them some more time to figure things out.

Interesting trade....Obi on the rise....sexton overpaid i believe? Besides the contract for a second, I agree that Thibs would push his career forward and he's an upgrade over Payton. Just worried about the money. Thought sexton signed a large contract which would cut into cap space. Are there cheaper options with similar production? I would think a pass first player, who can shoot is the need for this system. Sexton is a scorer first or rim attack guard who can also pass when necessary and shoot, but streaky. I never saw him as a pass first guard. So wouldn't that hurt the other players growth and development since RJ, Randle, Burks, Rose, Quickley, Bullock....all offensive players. We need a young Chris Paul type pass first dude. Most of them will be solid Jr or seniors coming out of college. Jalen Brunson type late first round pick player as an example....with some college experience and maturity in his offensive game as a true PG.

Sexton is still on his rookie contract. An extension would come next year. I think Brunson is a great option too. Both Brunson and Sexton are Rose guys. Just have to feel that Rose will push hard for guys he has a history with that he feels will mesh well with thibs and the current group. It’s less background work and he can have more confidence committing to a guy he knows personally.

Back on topic, the notion that Thibs can fix anyone and all CAA dudes are game? Likely its Garland who is out the door and Loves deal comes off one of these days.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Rumor is Cleveland may look to deal him ahead of extension talks. They can’t pay both he and Allen over 100 mil each. If Cleveland lands a top 4 pick it’s likely Cade or one of the Jalens. Garland and Sexton just don’t work together either.

Sexton is a former Rose client/ current CAA client. He’s young, can shoot and attack the basket. Thibs and Bryant can really push him to the next level. I feel like if Cleveland lands a high pick, I can see a Sexton to NY for Toppin and a couple draft picks. Maybe 20 and 32 this year for example. Just seems like a high upside move and always have to consider Rose will favor his previous clients. Cleveland just isn’t far enough along in their rebuild and Toppin on his contract joining Okoro, Garland, Allen and picks from this draft give them some more time to figure things out.

Interesting trade....Obi on the rise....sexton overpaid i believe? Besides the contract for a second, I agree that Thibs would push his career forward and he's an upgrade over Payton. Just worried about the money. Thought sexton signed a large contract which would cut into cap space. Are there cheaper options with similar production? I would think a pass first player, who can shoot is the need for this system. Sexton is a scorer first or rim attack guard who can also pass when necessary and shoot, but streaky. I never saw him as a pass first guard. So wouldn't that hurt the other players growth and development since RJ, Randle, Burks, Rose, Quickley, Bullock....all offensive players. We need a young Chris Paul type pass first dude. Most of them will be solid Jr or seniors coming out of college. Jalen Brunson type late first round pick player as an example....with some college experience and maturity in his offensive game as a true PG.

Sexton is still on his rookie contract. An extension would come next year. I think Brunson is a great option too. Both Brunson and Sexton are Rose guys. Just have to feel that Rose will push hard for guys he has a history with that he feels will mesh well with thibs and the current group. It’s less background work and he can have more confidence committing to a guy he knows personally.

I like Sexton and he is a supreme penetrator. I'd probably try and get him if he is available. But there is a reason Cleveland is rumored to want to get rid of him over Garland. He's not a playmaker. How would he fit in with the current lineup? Would a Ball signing make more sense in that scenario? They'd both be able to cover for each other's weaknesses.

Sexton is similar to Rose in that he’s not a natural playmaker but can get to the basket at will and make things happen. With Randle and Barrett in the lineup we don’t need a natural playmaker. We just need someone who can get into the teeth of the defense. It’s the same reason Brunson is interesting we don’t need a big assist guy. The offense still runs through Randle. We need a PG who can shoot, get to the basket and defend.

I agree...hes similar to Rose. I disagree about needing a PG to get into the defense, we already have that in Payton and Rose.... We need a natural born playmaker/shooter. Who is intentionally trying to make others better. I know they are becoming extinct...Usually with a late pick,...we should be able to draft a solid playmaker. After all the media hyped players are selected. but Sexton is more of a Rose replacement than Payton. Unless he's a better outside shooter than I thought. I would think Brunson would be an ideal pickup, with his throw back PG style. I havent watched him much in the nba, but I know the college version. And he's better than that now.

jskinny35 wrote:

Nalod wrote:sexton is like the hot chick in high school you hook up a few years later and realize the tight clothes held it all together and in your bed her tits are sliding into her arm pits. Might have had too much vodka, but not enough to not notice. she also just finished a bag of Doritos and orange dust is on the pillowcase. She now telling you with an orange tongue and smoking a cig how she always thought you were cute in high school and this is so niiiiice. Your just trying t keep the bile down and your worried about getting her out.

So that's a no...?

LOL, I suppose not. These are not really rumors. There might be a rumor about Clev and this salary thing. Weird that non of us are discussing Brock Allers intimate knowledge of him him as well.
What is also noted is the 4th seed did sort of fall in our laps to some extent do to the nature of this season which we now take for granted as the bench mark going forward. Anything less the team “falters” and its time for “Bryant to take over for the old Thibs.....”. Shyt like that.
Its entirely possible we cannot repeat this season. We just assume we are in WIN NOW MODE!!!!! MORE MORE MORE!!!!!
WE can speculate all we want, FO can tell us, but then why would they reveal their cards? No matter what this season was been a qualified success!!!! Its also been with Payton. That Leon is tight with Brunson, or a player with CAA is all nice. Does it matter? Maybe. But do you ask friends for favors when it conflicts with their best interests? No. If its mutually beneficial, then perhaps. Does Brunson want to play in NY? For all we know uncle Leon might be telling him he is good situation and he should benefit from staying in Dallas.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote: With Randle and Barrett in the lineup we don’t need a natural playmaker. We just need someone who can get into the teeth of the defense. It’s the same reason Brunson is interesting we don’t need a big assist guy. The offense still runs through Randle. We need a PG who can shoot, get to the basket and defend.

Randle is decent at picking up the slack where the current Knicks PGs don’t perform but he is more of a facilitator than someone who takes full duties to orchestrate and run an offense. Julius barely knows what to do with a double team. And I don’t know why you would include RJ at all; all he is is high usage player who is a willing but not that overly apt a passer.

IMHO the Knicks offense is run thru/via Randle cause there is little in the way of a better option.

IMHO having a PnR PG who is a good penetrator and/or shooter would open up RJ and Randle both and really open the offense to a new level.

Agreed, someone who can get to the rim and shoot. That’s the reason I like sexton and Brunson.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote: With Randle and Barrett in the lineup we don’t need a natural playmaker. We just need someone who can get into the teeth of the defense. It’s the same reason Brunson is interesting we don’t need a big assist guy. The offense still runs through Randle. We need a PG who can shoot, get to the basket and defend.

Randle is decent at picking up the slack where the current Knicks PGs don’t perform but he is more of a facilitator than someone who takes full duties to orchestrate and run an offense. Julius barely knows what to do with a double team. And I don’t know why you would include RJ at all; all he is is high usage player who is a willing but not that overly apt a passer.

IMHO the Knicks offense is run thru/via Randle cause there is little in the way of a better option.

IMHO having a PnR PG who is a good penetrator and/or shooter would open up RJ and Randle both and really open the offense to a new level.

Agreed, someone who can get to the rim and shoot. That’s the reason I like sexton and Brunson.

I want someone who can run an offense, defend, run the PnR, and take care of the ball while making it a priority to get easy looks for the guys around him.

Feel like Sexton is a scorer. Only.

Sexton right now is only a scorer. But he’s 22 and I think the idea would be hoping that thibs and Bryant can unlock his big time upside. I know you want a PG with all of the attributes you listed but there’s very few of those players in the league that do everything as a PG and none of them are generally available. We want to target a player with upside to become a complete PG with the right culture and development. I know we have also talked about Brunson extensively lately. He’s a player that is well-rounded and maybe has another level to reach but probably just doesn’t have the ceiling of a guy like sexton. So the question becomes, do we go for a player with elite upside that doesn’t have a complete game, or a more complete PG with less upside?

Knixkik wrote:Rumor is Cleveland may look to deal him ahead of extension talks. They can’t pay both he and Allen over 100 mil each. If Cleveland lands a top 4 pick it’s likely Cade or one of the Jalens. Garland and Sexton just don’t work together either.

I'm hearing rumblings about a multiple team trade involving Tobias Harris. He's overpaid but he's not a complete stiff. He's played much better this year. He can be useful but you have to accept the cap sheet tradeoffs. Given the Knicks open cap space, they are obviously implied. A lot of trade scenarios for the Knicks might have to compete against Harris plus whatever else is offered to help offset eating that contract.

Sexton is interesting but it still comes down to cost. I honestly feel the Knicks would be better off drafting guys onto their roster than trading their picks, esp in this current draft. Trading 2021 picks is just not practical given the depth of this class.

Lots of potential problems people see on other rosters are not always problems that need to be dealt with today. Sexton might be a problem for the Cavs, but he's not a problem today and it doesn't mean he needs to be settled this coming offseason.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Rumor is Cleveland may look to deal him ahead of extension talks. They can’t pay both he and Allen over 100 mil each. If Cleveland lands a top 4 pick it’s likely Cade or one of the Jalens. Garland and Sexton just don’t work together either.

I'm hearing rumblings about a multiple team trade involving Tobias Harris. He's overpaid but he's not a complete stiff. He's played much better this year. He can be useful but you have to accept the cap sheet tradeoffs. Given the Knicks open cap space, they are obviously implied. A lot of trade scenarios for the Knicks might have to compete against Harris plus whatever else is offered to help offset eating that contract.

Sexton is interesting but it still comes down to cost. I honestly feel the Knicks would be better off drafting guys onto their roster than trading their picks, esp in this current draft. Trading 2021 picks is just not practical given the depth of this class.

Lots of potential problems people see on other rosters are not always problems that need to be dealt with today. Sexton might be a problem for the Cavs, but he's not a problem today and it doesn't mean he needs to be settled this coming offseason.

Thanks for the info. Names like Harris and wall might be implied with the Knicks but I don’t see it. Not that this is the rule, but we have to assume the most likely candidates for the Knicks have a connection with the front office or coaching staff

Knicks drafted Obi (CAA) and Quickley (Kentucky)

Signed Burks (Utah connection), Noel (Kentucky), Rivers (CAA), resigned Gibson (thibs) traded for Rose (Thibs), Pinson (CAA), MKG (CAA, Kentucky, wes favor)

This is a relationship business to them. Have to believe they will never leave a stone unturned but at the end of the day will gravitate towards players they have a personal connection and comfortability with. Eventually we will have to break down a full list of upcoming free agents and trade candidates that fall into one of these categories but for now I just see Sexton and Brunson as 2 primary trade candidates when you factor in personal connection and roster need.

TPercy wrote:I like this idea. 24 ppg on 57% TS 37% 3Pt and 6+ FTs a game. He wouldn’t solve any playmaking problems but the guy is a burgeoning scorer and he’d give us another edge.

Only way this would work is if the Knicks also agreed to take on Kevin Love in a salary dump

Do I want a cancer like Kevin Love near this locker room? Even if it means also getting Sexton? I don’t know