jrodmc wrote:We're fourth in the East. That answers your poll.
And sip the kool aid. You'll get less gas.

By the way, Melo did play this way. With less.

OF course he did! We all know that. He did not have Frank!

Knickfury11 wrote:Yes. I never wanted Thibs, and now I have to eat my hat! I know when to admit I was very wrong. He is the main reason for me why we are flying so high, and I don’t mind to admit to it.

Knickfury11 wrote:Yes. I never wanted Thibs, and now I have to eat my hat! I know when to admit I was very wrong. He is the main reason for me why we are flying so high, and I don’t mind to admit to it.

It's not just THIBs, it's his entire staff. You got stars in this league that has given a lot of the credit to their success base on 2 of our assistant coaches.

We haven't had roles define on any of our rosters since the 54 win season.

Randle, Taj, Alec, Rose veteran leadership have been priceless..you are not winning without that, been saying it for yrs

And for all the Fans that were getting upset (when thibs was hired) because They knew he was not going to rely on no young players to win... I'm still amazed at how some fans still would prefer to see knox and frank play than continue doing what we're doing..

Nalod wrote:A lot of us are happy to admit we eating crow and washing it down with kool aid these days!

Not I. I wanted JVG or Thibs.

GustavBahler wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:We're fourth in the East. That answers your poll.
And sip the kool aid. You'll get less gas.

By the way, Melo did play this way. With less.

Melo did NOT play this way. Show me how.

The season he led the team in assists. Forget which one. Melo is looking more like that player in Portland. In a reduced role.

Their age 26 seasons:

Rk	Player	Season	Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1	Carmelo 2010-11	26	77	77	35.7	8.9	19.5	.455	1.2	3.3	.378	7.6	16.3	.470	.487	6.6	7.9	.838	1.5	5.8	7.3	2.9	0.9	0.6	2.7	2.9	25.6
2	Julius 2020-21	26	59	59	37.5	8.4	18.3	.460	2.2	5.3	.410	6.3	13.1	.481	.519	4.9	6.1	.807	1.3	9.2	10.5	6.1	1.0	0.3	3.5	3.2	23.9

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=randlju01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=anthoca01&p2yrfrom=2011

that was a fantastic season for Melo. No hate. Thank you for that brilliance Carmelo.

That said, who ya got? Who would you rather build around. I'm taking Randle. Why? PER is higher for Melo - 21.7 versus 20 for Randle in their age 26 seasons.

For me - Randle does it beyond the arc, high post, low post, on the glass, and by moving the ball. He does it with finesse and he does it by being a bully. And he does it as a stretch four which was what was needed from jrod's boy. So I am going with Randle, with absolutely no disrespect to Melo. To be very clear he does not get enough love, his 2103-14 season:

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2013-14	29	NYK	NBA	PF	77	77	38.7	9.6	21.3	.452	2.2	5.4	.402	7.5	15.9	.469	.503	6.0	7.0	.848	1.9	6.2	8.1	3.1	1.2	0.7	2.6	2.9	27.4

so step away from the ledge, Melo is a historical great, I recognize that. Look at the above line, holy ****

That means later-than-normal nights at the gym. It means shooting on days dedicated to film. It means shooting before and after games. It even means sneaking into the practice facility when your coach declares a rest day.

That’s what rookie Immanuel Quickley suggested was on the table. The Knicks just won two games in two nights, and have a 1 p.m. tip-off against the Raptors on Saturday. NBA teams are prohibited from practicing the day after a back-to-back, and Quickley said Thibodeau declared Thursday a “blackout day.”

“He declared that really nobody’s supposed to come in, but the guys that wanted to work try to still come in anyway,” he said. “We have like a key card and we have 24-hour access. Coach Thibs might turn the key card off tomorrow since he declared a blackout day, so nobody’s allowed to go into the gym.

“I’ll probably still find a way in though.”

They just put that work in, and you can see it, guys get off the Plane and go straight to the gym instead of the crib or the Hotel.

Under Fizdale, Guys were going straight to the Playstation/ XBOX/ or the club..lol

Knixkik wrote:With Randle's shooting, playmaking, and defensive intensity, i'll give him the slight advantage over Melo's best at this point. But obviously Randle has a long road ahead.

True, and absolutely. But maybe to take a step back a second, isn't it nice that this is even a discussion? This came out of nowhere.

SupremeCommander wrote:

Knixkik wrote:With Randle's shooting, playmaking, and defensive intensity, i'll give him the slight advantage over Melo's best at this point. But obviously Randle has a long road ahead.

True, and absolutely. But maybe to take a step back a second, isn't it nice that this is even a discussion? This came out of nowhere.

Randle has plane to the gym. Melo had plane to Puerto Rico. They both play bully ball, which during Melo's tenure here, was supposed to be GOING OUT OF STYLE, DINO-BALL.

Randle gets us to the second round, and he'll have traveled down the road, IMHO.