The record when Rose plays is startling.

When the Knicks traded for Rose on Feb. 7, their record stood at 11-14.

When the 32-year-old has played – and that hasn’t been all the time because of a COVID-19 absence – the Knicks are 15-7. In the games Rose missed because of contracting the virus and a one-game absence with a sore ankle, the Knicks’ clip is 5-6.

Combined, the Knicks’ record is 16-20 when Rose isn’t on the court donning the orange and blue.

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But this time around he is playing much more smarter than I think he ever has. He is not relying on talent and making the right reads. It actually started when he went to mini.

I crunched some fun #s in Rose's game logs:

He's played in 23 games for the Knicks. Of those 23 appearances Knicks are + in 17 games and - 6 games that Rose has appeared. What strikes me as really impressive is how much better they have been. In those 23 games Knicks are +126 while Rose is on the floor. That averages out to +5.4 points a game the score shifts for the Knicks during the 25 minutes a game he averages.

That is utterly fantastic

And the other Knicks are learning too

they generally play very selfless but they are more so with Rose and less so with Elf

It was after his MVP season in 2011 that he signed a 14-year deal with Adidas that totaled $185 million. It includes use of a private jet, a $250K salary to Rose’s brother Reggie, a payout to Rose’s best friend, and a $150k donation to an organization or Rose’s choice

Its obvious he can still play. Its obvious he still loves to play. Its obvious he's got limited rubber on the tires and wants to be in a spot that has him enjoying going to work every day. He 100% has that here and I have no doubt he would relish the role of 6th man for this squad to finish his NBA days. Point is at least for the next few years Rose doesnt give a phuck if he's making $3mm or $8mm so long as he's in the league and happy. I think he's guy as long as Thibs is around.

xavier wrote:

Nalod wrote:So lets say we traded KP, Hardaway, Courtney Lee For Randle, DRose , and two 1st round picks. Knick fans were perfectly within the boundaries to call bull Shyt on the trade given our lack of faith.

Regardless of Rose, I immediately said that the trade is good even if we fail to bring in the high-profile free agents talked about (Durant, Irving...). If we hadn't made that trade (although we definitely had to make it because Porzingis didn't want to be here anymore), we would have had to give Kristaps a max and would be over the cap with him as the first option and Hardaway as the second...not exactly a good perspective, is it?

We didn't bring in top free agents (the ones we hoped for), but in the end it turned out more than good...

Given the moment, we over paid Hardaway for him to ascend. TO some extent he, like Randle had to learn to be a top 1st or second option. WE handed the keys to KP and him and we did get to .500 before over use of Timmy and his fracture,, and eventual breakage of KP did what it did. Randle was a similar stab and has he admitted last year he had to learn how to be top dog. Mook was there also doing well. Its not like Randle all of a sudden started working that much harder in the off season. He had to refine to reduce his turnovers and in time that 3pt also got better. Teh game has slowed for him and he has evolved as a player. Right age, right coach, right mindset and it all came together!!!
My main point is getting players BEFORE they break out. Most of us can’t see this. IN fact its the hardest part of being a GM/Scout. This applies to draft picks especially. So when I say Hardaway was a good idea, it was a good stab at rising talent. He did increase his game. Injury was a problem. When his fracture healed KP was down and he was the no. 1 option. He was never that kind of player.
JR smith was a good idea. Kid had allstar talent but his mind was never all there. Its why we got him as a free agent out of china post lock out. Knicks have a long list of good ideas that did not execute. They also have along list of moves we all saw as not being high percentage from the get go.

franco12 wrote:what, so no credit for Thibs? We always knew we needed (and continue to need) help at the PG position. Imagine if we can land Chris Paul next year? But it would be so much better if we could get a young point guard with a long term future - Frank? Someone in the draft? IQ? I worry about these players over 30 with thousands of game minutes - just a matter of time before something breaks, snaps, pulls or stops working.

Nalod wrote:

xavier wrote:

Nalod wrote:So lets say we traded KP, Hardaway, Courtney Lee For Randle, DRose , and two 1st round picks. Knick fans were perfectly within the boundaries to call bull Shyt on the trade given our lack of faith.

Regardless of Rose, I immediately said that the trade is good even if we fail to bring in the high-profile free agents talked about (Durant, Irving...). If we hadn't made that trade (although we definitely had to make it because Porzingis didn't want to be here anymore), we would have had to give Kristaps a max and would be over the cap with him as the first option and Hardaway as the second...not exactly a good perspective, is it?

We didn't bring in top free agents (the ones we hoped for), but in the end it turned out more than good...

Given the moment, we over paid Hardaway for him to ascend. TO some extent he, like Randle had to learn to be a top 1st or second option. WE handed the keys to KP and him and we did get to .500 before over use of Timmy and his fracture,, and eventual breakage of KP did what it did. Randle was a similar stab and has he admitted last year he had to learn how to be top dog. Mook was there also doing well. Its not like Randle all of a sudden started working that much harder in the off season. He had to refine to reduce his turnovers and in time that 3pt also got better. Teh game has slowed for him and he has evolved as a player. Right age, right coach, right mindset and it all came together!!!
My main point is getting players BEFORE they break out. Most of us can’t see this. IN fact its the hardest part of being a GM/Scout. This applies to draft picks especially. So when I say Hardaway was a good idea, it was a good stab at rising talent. He did increase his game. Injury was a problem. When his fracture healed KP was down and he was the no. 1 option. He was never that kind of player.
JR smith was a good idea. Kid had allstar talent but his mind was never all there. Its why we got him as a free agent out of china post lock out. Knicks have a long list of good ideas that did not execute. They also have along list of moves we all saw as not being high percentage from the get go.

My point was that in case Porzingis stayed, we would have be locked over the cap with him and THJ as the first and second options. So that would be it and we would no longer have room for some significant reinforcements. Where would that take us? I would say not too far.

Today we have Randle and RJ as the first and second option and, very important, cap space plus 5 FRPs in 3 years. Also, we finally built a team identity. I would say that it is quite clear which situation is immeasurably better.