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Jimbo5
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4/15/2021  7:30 PM
The knicks front office said they will not engage in a bidding war when it comes to the services of Dennis schroder. Will they have the same stance with Lonzo?

The Bulls since trading 2 1st rounders for Vucevic are 3-8 i think maybe the chemistry just takes time to develop but at this point what is a more appealing team to sign with if you are Lonzo, the Knicks or the Bulls?

The knicks have several options for their starting point guard next season from signing Schroder, to trading for Brogdon or getting Lowry but im hoping for Lonzo.

Are the bulls really a threat here?
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4/15/2021  7:39 PM
Not really. With Lavine's extension coming up they won't really have the flexibility to sign him without really moving pieces around.
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4/15/2021  7:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2021  7:57 PM
TPercy wrote:Not really. With Lavine's extension coming up they won't really have the flexibility to sign him without really moving pieces around.

Thats a good to know, in free agency even if the team gives a player a max deal the player can choose to sign elsewhere like whats been happening to the knicks all these years. Hopefully this changes next offseason and the knicks end up being the chosen team.
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4/15/2021  8:28 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/comments/mku0so/offseason_cap_discussion/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 This is a link to a reddit posts about their cap space. The math roughly checks out so unless they want to do a ST where they give up meaningful assets its unlikely they can rival us.

On another note. Their subreddit really dislikes Coby and believes he has no trade value. It seems insane to me, but then again I rarely watch Bulls games. Is he really that bad?

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4/15/2021  9:11 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939220-ranking-every-nba-team-by-their-offseason-spending-power
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4/15/2021  9:12 PM
tbh, I'm more concerned about the Heat and Dallas than Chicago.
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4/17/2021  7:33 AM
Knicks have the edge. Lonzo’s dad wants him in NY. Just offer the most $$ and he’s a Knick
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4/17/2021  9:11 AM
I think the Knicks are also in a better place than Chicago. I mean, he is an RFA so it isn’t a certainty by any means, but the Knicks offseason has never been in a better position in my history. You have vets on value contracts. Up and coming players on rookie scale out performing their contracts and a stable of grizzled vets following their coach.

Given that the FO appears as intelligent as I’ve seen from a contract, capology
and talent evaluation perspective, I’m excited to see what they actually do.

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4/17/2021  11:08 AM
If there is a true knick interest I have confidence in this group to pay a fair price. If its “At the right price” then make a bid or two to drive up the cost for someone else. Not a terrible idea. Or, perhaps the true goal is to get a Coby White at a good price and if we help Chicago by not bidding up on Lonzo, Bulls give us a bit discount. Could be a three way with NOLA. I’m spitballing here for example purpose. Not advocating “we need Coby white!!!”.
I trust Johnny Bryant than myself at any level. His job is to get with scouts and evaluate under utilized talent and develop. Not all players will be “Randles” but this is a viable way to improve. Nets core to lure FA’s was built on scrap heap.
That he was not traded while injured is a bit of a concern. That, or there is a structure of a deal and if it involves draft assets perhaps to best to do the deal when the order of picks are known. Look for a draft night or predraft deal. He is RFA, he not just walking. Might be better to trade assets then lock him into an over priced contract longer term.
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4/17/2021  11:23 AM
Ideally, i would like to sign Lonzo so the knicks can form a young Trio with Randle and RJ. I am also intrigued by trying to get Kyle Lowry for the short to mid-term solution at the starting PG slot. Whats is the possibility of Lowry being able to follow the footsteps of CP3 as a heart and soul leader of the team? If he can be the CP3 version for the knicks I might be able to get on board with that. I have this impression that Lowry's game is not dependent on his athleticism rather savy plays. If that is the case, much like cp3 he might still have 5 year of playing mileage left.

Where could the knicks be now if they have a starting point guard that is even just a level or 2 above Payton? Not even a star point guard type player. Can they b fighting for the 4th seed in the east?
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4/17/2021  11:42 AM
I'm not entirely convinced by Ball, but as mentioned before I'm okay getting him at the right price.

Key red flags on Ball:
* career stats aren't that much better than Payton's pre-Knick stats
* hasn't been part of a winning team, especially this year with 2 all-star level teammates (Zion & Ingram) and an establish coach (SVG).

On the positive:
* his scoring and shooting stats are on the rise; 37% 3p% is quite respectable.
* taller, longer defender than Elfrid (and Elfrid's relatively big for a PG)
* younger - with more upside than Elf - with the 2 above tools, you'd expect him to get better

If his dad thinks he'll have the highest earning potential (outside of basketball) in NY, he might accept less here and be willing to leave the Pels.

The Pelicans technically drafted their PG of the future (Kira Lewis) and Ball either needs to be their long term solution or he blocks the future. (I think they have doubts about Kira - he hasn't lit the world on fire with Ball out!)

OR...
We can solve everything if Elfrid hires a shooting coach and practices getting more arc on his 3's.

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4/17/2021  12:16 PM
Feels you to actually say this:
If we want him, the Bulls are not competition
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4/17/2021  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/17/2021  12:37 PM
Knicks will be in the playoffs, have plenty of cap space, mix of talented yoots and vets. NY market.

I dont see a competition, unless Lonzo is only after $$$$. Dont believe he is.
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4/17/2021  2:37 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Knicks will be in the playoffs, have plenty of cap space, mix of talented yoots and vets. NY market.

I dont see a competition, unless Lonzo is only after $$$$. Dont believe he is.

Funny enough no team has cap like we do to overpay him.

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4/17/2021  3:30 PM
I know Lonzo has been a hot name but another hot name as of late is Dennis Schroder. What do you guys think of him? I think he lacks 3pt shooting.

Could Spencer Dimwiddie be a good fit? I just dont like his personality.
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4/17/2021  3:50 PM
Schroder's contract that ends this summer is 4 yr / 70 million. I don’t know how much he expects in the future, but no matter how much it is, the Lakers will pay him because they won’t let him go when they can’t bring a replacement given they’re over the cap.

As for Ball, I’m increasingly convinced that if we bring him in, it will be through sign & trade because somehow I don’t believe our FO will be willing to overpay him as much as it takes for the Pelicans not to match the offer.
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4/17/2021  3:57 PM
TPercy wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Knicks will be in the playoffs, have plenty of cap space, mix of talented yoots and vets. NY market.

I dont see a competition, unless Lonzo is only after $$$$. Dont believe he is.

Funny enough no team has cap like we do to overpay him.

Good point. Dont know what the FO considers an overpay, or if they're willing to do it. If we ended up with a top pick. Traded up, or just lucked out. IDK if picking Cade would make Lonzo less likely,

Or they would be willing to bring in both. Since Thibs isnt one to wait. Dont know if the draft will have any effect in the pursuit of Lonzo. Past seasons we had slim pickins' as far as draft picks.

We have the resources now to make a trade to move up from wherever we pick. Will be intersting to see how this plays out in the offseason.

Great that we have the playoffs to look forward to as well.
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4/18/2021  6:28 AM
By the way, interesting figures:

Player A - 14.2 p, 4.1 r, 5.6 a, .420 FG%, .375 3P%
Player B - 15.4 p, 3.5 r, 5.5 a, .430 FG%, .335 3P%

They are both free agents this summer. Player B declined the offered 4 yr / 84 million. The player A is of course Ball, and player B is Schroder.

I just want to point out a perspective around how much Schroder wants and how much Ball might want.
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4/18/2021  8:24 AM
Can someone point out why exactly he doesn’t like NOLA and why wouldn’t theY match any offer?
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4/18/2021  9:24 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Can someone point out why exactly he doesn’t like NOLA and why wouldn’t theY match any offer?

They will match, not to mention they can give him most money out of all the teams

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