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technomaster
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4/7/2021  11:07 AM
So folks... I hadn't paid too much attention at the beginning of the year, but I've been looking at the play-in tournament situation, and we're in GREAT shape for at least 1 bonus game after the season ends.

Quick details:
At the end of the regular season, the 7-10th seeds in each conference will participate in a play-in tournament.
1) 7-8 play. The winner gets the 7th seed. The loser moves to step #3
2) 9-10 play. The winner moves to step 3. The loser goes to the lottery.
3) the loser of #1 and winner of #2 play. The winner gets the 8th seed. The loser goes to the lottery.

We should all be extremely excited to be in a strong position to grab at least the 10th seed. But clearly, #6 or better is highly desirable.

Can we get to 6th? The team most likely to fall are the Hornets, who are down Ball, Hayward, and Monk. The Heat and Celtics have underperformed all-season but you'd think these playoff tested teams can get it together for a mini run.

We have 2 games left against the Celtics as well as 2 against the Hornets, so we have some level of control of our destiny to move up.

On the other hand, I think we're in pretty solid shape to stay in the top 8. The Pacers are extremely banged up and will have to resort to using LeVert in the short term for hero ball. Sabonis and Turner are both nursing through ankle sprains and Brogdon has had his fair share of nagging issues, most notably a bad hip.

The Bulls made some interesting moves at the trade deadline, acquiring Vucevic. They're mostly healthy, but they're also missing "something" - defensive chemistry - no defensive anchor? Billy Donovan hasn't been able to work his magic with the roster.

As of morning 4/7:
4th: 27-24 Atlanta
5th: 25-24 Hornets
6th: 26-25 Heat
7th: 25-26 Knicks
8th: 25-26 Celtics
9th: 22-27 Pacers
10th: 21-28 Bulls
11th: 20-31 Raptors

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-play-in-tournament

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4/7/2021  12:29 PM
I think this team will limp into the play-in game. The Bulls are a talented mess, but the other bottom teams are serious threats. The Raptors are probably the scariest of them all if they somehow sneak in.
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4/7/2021  1:21 PM
I am assuming the teams that lose in the "play-in" will then be in the lottery. Traditionally a non-tanker here but....

What I mean to say is I see us going all the way.

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4/8/2021  2:02 AM
I have no illusions about the playoffs. Without real actual plays to run( no, the PnR to get the PG into the paint doesn't count because it's the only play we run and because it does not create an easy scoring opportunity)
So yes, we are not winning squat if we are going to run ISO ball all day. We need an offensive coordinator in the worst possible way.
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4/8/2021  5:18 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:I think this team will limp into the play-in game. The Bulls are a talented mess, but the other bottom teams are serious threats. The Raptors are probably the scariest of them all if they somehow sneak in.

I don't know looking at the standings- the Pacers have been slumping badly so have the Craptors (think they'll end up tanking to be honest!). I think we'll finish 8th, maybe 9th at worse.

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4/8/2021  5:32 AM
The playoffs become a dream the more we find it hard to win close games.

We are indeed limping to the finish line and unfortunately we have established we can keep a game close against playoff-bubble teams, but don’t have what’s necessary to pull off the win. One thing is a bad bounce or an uncharacteristic bad shot, but another is to be consistent at struggling offensively and, for all the defensive greatness, still have a hard time to pull that big stop when it matters.

It might be hard at this point to fall to 11th, but it’s highly likely we find another way to lose a close one in the play-in. A team that has in a way overachieved but has hit a wall in terms of pulling out wins against good teams, we have the classic look of the team that can lose the two games it plays in the play-in.

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4/8/2021  5:36 AM
Regardless of the Knicks, this doesn't make sense to me. It is too much for me even that 16 out of 30 teams enter the playoffs. The regular season (normal, not this shortened one) has 82 games where then a good portion of those games are less important because more than half of the teams enter the playoffs anyway. And then someone comes up with the idea that it’s not enough and adds this play-in so now 2/3 of the teams still isn’t out of the playoffs after the end of the regular season.

The NFL is much more competitive here. You have 16 regular season games (ok, soon 17) and only 12 out of 32 teams have entered the playoffs (yes, an additional team has been inserted here now too). However, every game is “to be or not to be” and there is no resting and things like that.

Now, the other thing is that the Knicks have been out of the playoffs for so long that this is good for us to finally see some knockout game. OK, at the moment we are in a position that would lead to the classic playoff format, but the question is whether we will stay there. The schedule is quite tough, and we just lack the pure talent what Thibs compensates with a hustle. But everything has its limits.

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4/8/2021  6:42 AM
The play-in is good for those teams that think they would’ve made the playoffs if one or two games during the season had turned out differently, like us probably soon.

But a one or two game elimination favors any team that has a star that can carry them. That’s one of the reasons why we have struggled in late games, we don’t have a number one nor a guy that cannot be stopped in crunch time. So if we stay at 8 and Boston stays at 7, we are screwed. Then a game against Pacers or Bulls, you know it’s gonna come down to the final possession and that’s our kryptonite.

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4/8/2021  5:35 PM
If its between us, Celtics, Bulls, and Pacers, then I fancy our chances in play in tournament. Celtics do well in playoffs but I like our chances against Bulls and Pacers.
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4/8/2021  6:30 PM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I think this team will limp into the play-in game. The Bulls are a talented mess, but the other bottom teams are serious threats. The Raptors are probably the scariest of them all if they somehow sneak in.

I don't know looking at the standings- the Pacers have been slumping badly so have the Craptors (think they'll end up tanking to be honest!). I think we'll finish 8th, maybe 9th at worse.


Yeah, but the Pacers are more talented when healthy. The Raptors, if they make it, have a crew of guys who've been there before. All those teams could cause the Knicks problems.
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4/18/2021  10:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/18/2021  10:36 PM
So we’re currently at 6. Not a lock of course but I would be happy if the season ended that way. We would then play the third seed which is currently the Bucks. It would be cool if they overtook the Nets who we would subsequently beat in the first round.

Meanwhile in the West Mavs are in 7th which would mean the play in. Perhaps not highly likely but certainly in the realm of possibility is this team with its issues falling into the lottery.

A boy can dream....

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4/19/2021  8:41 AM

I was hoping we make noise with play in games. The drama would be fun. Then catch the nets sleeping. Fun 2x!!!
BTW, I have not lived in NY in 35 years so I see nets like any other team. I’m void emotional hate that some of you have but I find them infinitely fascinating given the cast of characters. I always respected Nash as a player and a fan of MDA thru the years. I always hoped he’d win a title (Preferable when he was here!) and perhaps a consolation prize would be as lead assistant with Nets.
Am happy a as long as knicks succeeding.

Question, Nets are having a good season with stars. Is there a buzz about with causual fans? Hard to gauge as attendance is not a factor. Cable viewership? Arguments with friends who are “Nets fans”?

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4/19/2021  11:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/19/2021  1:10 PM
Just for the record, I never disliked the Nets until this year. Always pulled for them going back to the Buck Williams days. It has to do with how the team came together, their personalities, and trendy fawning over them. Don’t like the Lakers either and the Heat before them. And so forth. But honestly I don’t take it that seriously 😒.

My only gauge for Nets love/hate is the traditional media particularly sports talk radio. I hear virtually no “Nets” callers. The bulk of local NBA discussion is without question the Knicks. Radio hosts do discuss them and I notice the aforementioned fawning turning more to criticism of the stars not playing. I do wonder if the pandemic has affected them more in a way - casual fans aren’t out and about in Nets gear or going to Barclays.

But no question this is far and away still a Knicks town. Don’t know what a Nets championship would do to that.

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4/19/2021  11:10 AM
I think the Knicks need to do literally everything possible to avoid the playin tournament. Anything can happen in one game. What if both Randle and RJ can't hit from 3? What about if no one steps up as a viable third option? I want the Knicks to officially make the playoffs and the losing the play-in means the Knicks didn't qualify for the postseason
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4/19/2021  1:20 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I think the Knicks need to do literally everything possible to avoid the playin tournament. Anything can happen in one game. What if both Randle and RJ can't hit from 3? What about if no one steps up as a viable third option? I want the Knicks to officially make the playoffs and the losing the play-in means the Knicks didn't qualify for the postseason

Be fun though to win a few in a row them phuch up another team. Its a strange season.
Fact is I really do enjoy watching Kyrie do his thing. The guy is a head case. I get that. I can turn off the noise and just enjoy this dude doing his thing. Same for Harden. I’d like to see a Laker-Net final should knicks be eliminated. Weird if Suns-Nets. I did root for Suns back in the day and with Nash/MDA in black vs them it would be weird. Nets vs. Clips would be a clash of the starphuchers!

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4/19/2021  2:56 PM
KD, Kyrie, Harden are tremendous players. And the fact the three have not played together and often without two of them and the Nets are still rolling is scary.
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4/20/2021  10:00 PM
This is going to make teams forget about tanking until like the last 10 or so games of the season.

More competitive games down the stretch

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