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As far as our second unit which 2021 draft pick would work well with iq and Toppin?
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xblvdels3
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4/5/2021  12:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/5/2021  12:42 PM
4/15/21

I’m going with

Kispert pick 1
Ayo dosunmo pick 2
Ibou dianko badji pick 3


Toppin and kispert will need a defensive shot blocking rim protector in the second unit.

I suggest badji because he can play in space. Very mobile.

As far as Mitch goes I think he should be on minutes restriction If we sign him for 3 years 10m. Not sure how much we can depend on his health.


I suggest dosunmo because he works better in a uptempo offense for Toppin. Him and iq can be switch positions at any time. Plus dosunmo is very good laterally and can defend the best scoring wing backup player we face while iq can guard the least capable.

* Assuming we finish with our first pick being 13

Our starting 5 will be completed with cap space.


So all that’s left is creating a good bench.


PF Toppin - bad laterally. Offense(tbd)?
Sf kispert - +40 percent of his 3s will go in. He can work hard and be average defensively.
C ? (Noel) is solid can we resign him? We need a center who can cover kispert and toppins mistakes
Sg dosunmo - great laterally. Can cover best scoring wing. Better in open court for Toppin
Pg iq - we know what he does lol

Obviously next year we will try and keep rose and burks or bullock and taj. They will be mentors for the guys we draft next year.

Note: davion mitchel cam Thomas Jaren butler can all fill it up. The question will be is their talent enough to tolerate their short comings. (Short or bad defensively or can’t facilitate) they are bucket getters.


And how does that work with iq?

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4/6/2021  9:57 AM
well, i think there is a high possibility that iq will start next year. as far as toppin is concern, a pg that will create easy buckets would help. it would help the whole team actually. pg is still a major concern and everything else is trickled down.
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4/6/2021  10:50 AM
jazz74 wrote:well, i think there is a high possibility that iq will start next year. as far as toppin is concern, a pg that will create easy buckets would help. it would help the whole team actually. pg is still a major concern and everything else is trickled down.

I think they like IQ off the bench, and i think we end up with Ball. That being said, as to the original question, i think Kispert or Duarte from Oregon are good options. We need a wing player. My assumption is we add a PG via free agency or trade and bring back Rose plus we have Quickley. We need wings. Bullock and Burks are both free agents.

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4/6/2021  10:57 AM
Joel ayayi or dashien nice two 6'5" point guards that can score lil bit
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4/6/2021  11:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/6/2021  11:38 AM
Knixkik wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, i think there is a high possibility that iq will start next year. as far as toppin is concern, a pg that will create easy buckets would help. it would help the whole team actually. pg is still a major concern and everything else is trickled down.

I think they like IQ off the bench, and i think we end up with Ball. That being said, as to the original question, i think Kispert or Duarte from Oregon are good options. We need a wing player. My assumption is we add a PG via free agency or trade and bring back Rose plus we have Quickley. We need wings. Bullock and Burks are both free agents.


That was my second option Duarte I researched him also when reviewing players.
We need another center unless you want to over pay for Noel in 2023 season. We won’t have the cap space to keep him if you want another 20 point scorer on the team. Plus Robinson should be limited minutes if we extend him. He needs to play smarter also.


Could be cam Thomas and Duarte


From watching the nets game one thing is clear. We need high level skill - set (kispert) or high level talent (cam Thomas)

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4/6/2021  11:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/6/2021  11:37 AM
dacash wrote:Joel ayayi or dashien nice two 6'5" point guards that can score lil bit


Yea they look interesting. I’ll take a closer look as the daft gets closer

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4/7/2021  9:38 AM
xblvdels3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, i think there is a high possibility that iq will start next year. as far as toppin is concern, a pg that will create easy buckets would help. it would help the whole team actually. pg is still a major concern and everything else is trickled down.

I think they like IQ off the bench, and i think we end up with Ball. That being said, as to the original question, i think Kispert or Duarte from Oregon are good options. We need a wing player. My assumption is we add a PG via free agency or trade and bring back Rose plus we have Quickley. We need wings. Bullock and Burks are both free agents.


That was my second option Duarte I researched him also when reviewing players.
We need another center unless you want to over pay for Noel in 2023 season. We won’t have the cap space to keep him if you want another 20 point scorer on the team. Plus Robinson should be limited minutes if we extend him. He needs to play smarter also.


Could be cam Thomas and Duarte


From watching the nets game one thing is clear. We need high level skill - set (kispert) or high level talent (cam Thomas)

Duarte is a nice option because he's a high level 3pt shooter, great defender, and secondary playmaker. Similar to Burks in a lot of ways. He's going to be 24 by draft time, so his stock can really only go as high as mid 1st round. Isaiah Jackson and Charles Bassey are great insurance for Noel and/or Robinson. Both are shot blockers/rim runners in the late first round range. For PG it's looking like Davion Mitchell may end up out of range, but his teammate Butler might be there in the later first round, and another sleeper is Miles McBride who may be available in the early second round. He's a good shooter and defender for a PG. He can score too but not much of a playmaker, but may be good value with the Detroit pick if we are looking for a potential backup PG. Best case scenario is we use the 3 picks to address 3 depth/insurance roles of backup PG, backup wing, and backup big. So if the draft was tomorrow and nothing unexpected happen i would target:

Knicks pick: Duarte (3&D wing, good insurance for Burks/Bullock, should be an immediate contributor if needed)
Dallas pick: Jared Butler or Isaiah Jackson
Detroit pick: McBride (if we take Jackson with the dallas pick) or Bassey (if we take Butler with the dallas pick)

I'm also thinking about the type of players Thibs would appreciate, these players fit his style i think.

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4/7/2021  1:19 PM
Knixkik wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, i think there is a high possibility that iq will start next year. as far as toppin is concern, a pg that will create easy buckets would help. it would help the whole team actually. pg is still a major concern and everything else is trickled down.

I think they like IQ off the bench, and i think we end up with Ball. That being said, as to the original question, i think Kispert or Duarte from Oregon are good options. We need a wing player. My assumption is we add a PG via free agency or trade and bring back Rose plus we have Quickley. We need wings. Bullock and Burks are both free agents.


That was my second option Duarte I researched him also when reviewing players.
We need another center unless you want to over pay for Noel in 2023 season. We won’t have the cap space to keep him if you want another 20 point scorer on the team. Plus Robinson should be limited minutes if we extend him. He needs to play smarter also.


Could be cam Thomas and Duarte


From watching the nets game one thing is clear. We need high level skill - set (kispert) or high level talent (cam Thomas)

Duarte is a nice option because he's a high level 3pt shooter, great defender, and secondary playmaker. Similar to Burks in a lot of ways. He's going to be 24 by draft time, so his stock can really only go as high as mid 1st round. Isaiah Jackson and Charles Bassey are great insurance for Noel and/or Robinson. Both are shot blockers/rim runners in the late first round range. For PG it's looking like Davion Mitchell may end up out of range, but his teammate Butler might be there in the later first round, and another sleeper is Miles McBride who may be available in the early second round. He's a good shooter and defender for a PG. He can score too but not much of a playmaker, but may be good value with the Detroit pick if we are looking for a potential backup PG. Best case scenario is we use the 3 picks to address 3 depth/insurance roles of backup PG, backup wing, and backup big. So if the draft was tomorrow and nothing unexpected happen i would target:

Knicks pick: Duarte (3&D wing, good insurance for Burks/Bullock, should be an immediate contributor if needed)
Dallas pick: Jared Butler or Isaiah Jackson
Detroit pick: McBride (if we take Jackson with the dallas pick) or Bassey (if we take Butler with the dallas pick)

I'm also thinking about the type of players Thibs would appreciate, these players fit his style i think.

Generally I agree with what you’re saying.

I’ll take a closer look as the nba standings become more solidified.

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4/7/2021  7:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/7/2021  7:21 PM
Now that Toppin is starting to show something. Im guessing that Obi will likely be back with IQ, coming off the bench. Quickley is better suited off the ball. Has been calling his number too much lately. When your shooting pct is going down, its best to find other ways to contribute.

Back to the original question. Im guessing Rose will be brought back on a short term deal. Will return as a backup PG. The only way I see someone supplanting Rose at backup PG is if we end up with a high draft pick and select one of the better PGs in the draft. Believe we will have a veteran at starting PG (hopefully Lonzo) next season. Thibs wont want to start a rookie PG. Especially if we sign a vet.

Which leaves another position. RJ/IQ have the 2 lockdown, it seems. If we bring back Noel amd Mitch.

The FO might want to draft a scoring big. One with a post game, and who can knock down the 3. Or they could try to draft a backup at the 3.

My guess it will be someone who can play the 4 or the 5, depending on the situation. What I would do if a top PG wasnt available wherever we pick. We should be pretty set in the backcourt, if the FO signs a good veteran PG to start.

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4/7/2021  8:59 PM
I still don’t really see anything from Obi. A few layups or a open dunks. He’s not rebounding, blocking shots or playing defense. We need two shooter in this draft badly to compliment our young pieces.
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4/7/2021  9:08 PM
Jalen Johnson maybe if he can be a reliable 3pt shooter sf.

Bouknight because he looks like he could be a dynamic SG

Kispert as a SF 3&D

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4/7/2021  9:10 PM
MS wrote:I still don’t really see anything from Obi. A few layups or a open dunks. He’s not rebounding, blocking shots or playing defense. We need two shooter in this draft badly to compliment our young pieces.

Forgot the improved 3pt shooting.

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4/7/2021  10:50 PM
I don’t see either of them set in stone for next year unfortunately, Quickly has regressed. I would just draft BPA.
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4/7/2021  11:20 PM
dacash wrote:Joel ayayi or dashien nice two 6'5" point guards that can score lil bit

I like Nix, but the dude needs a fitness plan, like yesterday. I'm starting to get second thoughts about Kispert...he looked pedestrian in the big game. I need an impressive combine to clear my doubt.

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4/8/2021  12:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/8/2021  12:56 AM
I notice Obi plays well when in the same lineup along-side Gibson for 5 or more minute.
Lately, Obi been getting most of his playing-time along-side our non-rebounding Noel.
It look like we will never see a lineup of Quickley & Frank, which would've made a better back-court on offense/defense than Payton & RJ
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4/8/2021  6:06 AM
Unless we find our way to luck and a high draft pick, I would either look to pack either or both Obi and Quick along with a few or most picks for either a higher lottery pick or an established young guy like Ball.

Look, I’ve been a critic of Thibs, but it’s not to fire him. Truth is, he is our immediate future and that means that we should do our best to give him the tools he needs to move to the next level of winning and competing. So unless we get a shot at one of those franchise players at the top, and oh God I hope we find a way to, just accept who you are and dig in.

Don’t care much about drafting multiple players here. Some of you will say “RJ has played, Quick has played” yadda yadda but the truth is that rooks won’t be significant tools next season unless they are superstar-in-the-making, so do what others failed to do and group the assets in a trade for a young PG or a SG that fits the core. Keep Quick if you can as a bench option, but he isn’t untouchable as well as Obi.

Get guys ready to play. We need a starting PG, a starting SG or SF and a backup PG (because we need another handler with Rose. Quick is a combo guard.)

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4/8/2021  6:47 AM
There are two ways you can go further (there are of course more, but we can group them into two main groups).

The first is to go all in. So try to bring in some big names like Beal and try to push for Ball or even go to Lowry. It would cost a lot of picks and young players and if you fail to put together a top team that way, then you’re in trouble, and realistically we don’t have a group of players that Beal or Lowry will make a contender out of.

Another way is to keep building the team and developing the players. Try to bring Ball with some reasonable sign & trade and not bidding with a super high offer sheet. Choose 3 players in draft and hope that with these picks we will get at least one starter, and one quality rotational player. In addition try to find some free agent for a reasonable price.

Then that's how you enter the new season, so if a few of those players play properly, then in the middle of the season you can think about a trade for some star after which you won't have a half-empty locker room with only 2 or 3 legitimate starters.

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4/8/2021  7:51 AM
I will see it’s important to put players in positions to succeed.

If a players only strength is the lob or rim running, maybe we can run some pick and rolls and some screens running at the rim for the guy.

Unless Knox is day dreaming during practice I don’t know why we aren’t playing him at the 4 instead of Obi. He at least spaces the floor.

As far as our second unit which 2021 draft pick would work well with iq and Toppin?

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