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NYStateOfMind
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4/2/2021  3:04 PM
So, these super teams getting everybody they want despite salary caps is getting old. I'm sick of teams doing this, Warriors, Lakers, and now the Nets, to name a few. Something has to be done, so here is one possible solution.

Ex. LaMarcus Aldridge -

2021 salary - $24 million
Buyout amount - $7.25 million

The difference is $16.75 million. So, if you do not have the cap space to take on that amount, you aren't able to sign them. This continues for the remainder of what their contract was. If they have 2022 in the contract for $24 million, then you need $24 million in cap space. This will force players to honor their contracts they agreed to and balance out the league in a better manner. Then when a new contract comes around, the player will be more careful where they sign under these rules.

Maybe add a rule, that if you meet the salary cap amount, you have to sign them to a prorated 50% of that $16.75 million.

Make it happen. Thoughts?

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4/2/2021  4:15 PM
NYStateOfMind wrote:So, these super teams getting everybody they want despite salary caps is getting old. I'm sick of teams doing this, Warriors, Lakers, and now the Nets, to name a few. Something has to be done, so here is one possible solution.

Ex. LaMarcus Aldridge -

2021 salary - $24 million
Buyout amount - $7.25 million

The difference is $16.75 million. So, if you do not have the cap space to take on that amount, you aren't able to sign them. This continues for the remainder of what their contract was. If they have 2022 in the contract for $24 million, then you need $24 million in cap space. This will force players to honor their contracts they agreed to and balance out the league in a better manner. Then when a new contract comes around, the player will be more careful where they sign under these rules.

Maybe add a rule, that if you meet the salary cap amount, you have to sign them to a prorated 50% of that $16.75 million.

Make it happen. Thoughts?


Yeah...I think it's a problem. I've stated elsewhere I believe the NBA is invested in the super team concept. I'd say hand in glove with the marketing of superstars. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduct it's about the Benjamins. More offense (threes and dunks), rules inhibiting defense, superstar/super team deference in terms of refs' calls -- and this. Gotta keep the product aimed at the demographic which is likely not you or me. So I will give the predictably cynical response of saying I don't expect much here but it's maybe more likely than a return to Oakley era defense.
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4/3/2021  1:03 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:So, these super teams getting everybody they want despite salary caps is getting old. I'm sick of teams doing this, Warriors, Lakers, and now the Nets, to name a few. Something has to be done, so here is one possible solution.

Ex. LaMarcus Aldridge -

2021 salary - $24 million
Buyout amount - $7.25 million

The difference is $16.75 million. So, if you do not have the cap space to take on that amount, you aren't able to sign them. This continues for the remainder of what their contract was. If they have 2022 in the contract for $24 million, then you need $24 million in cap space. This will force players to honor their contracts they agreed to and balance out the league in a better manner. Then when a new contract comes around, the player will be more careful where they sign under these rules.

Maybe add a rule, that if you meet the salary cap amount, you have to sign them to a prorated 50% of that $16.75 million.

Make it happen. Thoughts?


Yeah...I think it's a problem. I've stated elsewhere I believe the NBA is invested in the super team concept. I'd say hand in glove with the marketing of superstars. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduct it's about the Benjamins. More offense (threes and dunks), rules inhibiting defense, superstar/super team deference in terms of refs' calls -- and this. Gotta keep the product aimed at the demographic which is likely not you or me. So I will give the predictably cynical response of saying I don't expect much here but it's maybe more likely than a return to Oakley era defense.

Unless the CBA changes, this ridiculous behavior will continue. No reason that all teams can't sport a decent team. Despite beating the Knicks, why do the Wolves have such a bad bottom record again? They start and play their #1 pick often, the team should have improved, not drop in win %. So, they basically tank because no one cares about them. Can't do that in NY, or the press is all over it.

Also with my suggested solution, better league balance of power, but also maybe the league stops albatross salaries like Westbrook & Paul. 1 Player should not take that much of the TEAM cap. If the league was more balanced I believe they would make the same or more revenue in the long run.

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4/4/2021  7:23 AM
Few buy out guys historically really are impactful. They take pay cuts to chase a ring or play.
Its the reason for freedom.
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4/4/2021  8:36 AM
Not entirely a buyout position, but I would raise the Vet Minimum significantly and not allow vet minimum exceptions over rookie exception.

I would stop crediting 50% of new salary back to the prior team. You waive a player, you eat the entire salary earned for the remaining balance of that term. Drop the incentive to waive players.

I’d suggest that a waived player (unless claimed on waivers) has to sit until the playoff roster deadline. I hate that the Nets can fill their roster with former all stars using waived players. You get waived, no playoffs and no ring for you.

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4/4/2021  11:09 AM
Nalod wrote:Few buy out guys historically really are impactful. They take pay cuts to chase a ring or play.
Its the reason for freedom.

While those buyout players have smaller roles on stacked teams they would have bigger role impact on other teams. Chasing a ring is weak. Should Ewing demanded a trade to the Bulls? Also, they give up their freedom when they sign these absurd contracts and don't honor them.

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4/4/2021  11:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/4/2021  9:37 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:Not entirely a buyout position, but I would raise the Vet Minimum significantly and not allow vet minimum exceptions over rookie exception.

I would stop crediting 50% of new salary back to the prior team. You waive a player, you eat the entire salary earned for the remaining balance of that term. Drop the incentive to waive players.

Id suggest that a waived player (unless claimed on waivers) has to sit until the playoff roster deadline. I hate that the Nets can fill their roster with former all stars using waived players. You get waived, no playoffs and no ring for you.

The problem lies in that the bought out player has no incentive to seek out a bigger contract since they make what they were due on the bought out arrangement either way.
One solution would be that the bought out player needs to sign a minimum 1 year contract, not become a rental for the rest of the year, tipping the balance of power in the league with no cost to themselves. Or force the new team to pay some minimum percentage of the old contract salary rate. 75%?

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4/4/2021  1:14 PM
NYStateOfMind wrote:
Nalod wrote:Few buy out guys historically really are impactful. They take pay cuts to chase a ring or play.
Its the reason for freedom.

While those buyout players have smaller roles on stacked teams they would have bigger role impact on other teams. Chasing a ring is weak. Should Ewing demanded a trade to the Bulls? Also, they give up their freedom when they sign these absurd contracts and don't honor them.

And yet it keeps happening?

I don't know what is weaker, chasing a ring or typing it out expecting an NBA player to feel guilty of going to a contender, which they all do and so would 99% of people in the same predicament.

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4/4/2021  4:25 PM
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:
Nalod wrote:Few buy out guys historically really are impactful. They take pay cuts to chase a ring or play.
Its the reason for freedom.

While those buyout players have smaller roles on stacked teams they would have bigger role impact on other teams. Chasing a ring is weak. Should Ewing demanded a trade to the Bulls? Also, they give up their freedom when they sign these absurd contracts and don't honor them.

And yet it keeps happening?

I don't know what is weaker, chasing a ring or typing it out expecting an NBA player to feel guilty of going to a contender, which they all do and so would 99% of people in the same predicament.

Well your response comes across as weak, condescending, and rude. Hey genius, maybe it keeps happening because the current CBA allows it. Hence why a new approach is needed, not putting people's thoughts down on a legit NBA problem. Even NBA players are getting upset, I'll take their opinion over yours.

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4/5/2021  8:08 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:
Nalod wrote:Few buy out guys historically really are impactful. They take pay cuts to chase a ring or play.
Its the reason for freedom.

While those buyout players have smaller roles on stacked teams they would have bigger role impact on other teams. Chasing a ring is weak. Should Ewing demanded a trade to the Bulls? Also, they give up their freedom when they sign these absurd contracts and don't honor them.

And yet it keeps happening?

I don't know what is weaker, chasing a ring or typing it out expecting an NBA player to feel guilty of going to a contender, which they all do and so would 99% of people in the same predicament.

Well your response comes across as weak, condescending, and rude. Hey genius, maybe it keeps happening because the current CBA allows it. Hence why a new approach is needed, not putting people's thoughts down on a legit NBA problem. Even NBA players are getting upset, I'll take their opinion over yours.

Who is upset?
Aldridge and Griff gave up some big money to gain their freedom.
Griff took the money and he was traded from LA to Detroit and embraced the role entirely. They got to the playoffs. Then he broke down and still was cool with it. In the end he took money off the table and moved on.
Remember he and Aldridge are “Names” now more then stars. The roles are far reduced and teams like knicks don’t have room for them. LOok at DRose. IF he had a big contract he’d be in the same boat. He wanted to make it good here after a bad situation and is tight with Thibs. He had trade value and an easy contract. If he was on his big contact that does not happen here.

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4/5/2021  9:58 AM
if the players who were bought out had decent value, the team responsible for the buyout would have been able to trade them. their value is much less than their contract, with teams not willing to give up anything of value in return for them, hence they are basically minimum salaries to mid-level players at this point.

could set something like:

if a team is over .500 and signs a buyout player, the team loses their next upcoming second round draft pick. if a team signs two buyout players, lose their next first round draft pick and a second round draft pick.

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4/5/2021  10:11 AM
Aren't players who are bought out subject to waiver rules and can be claimed by any NBA team prior to becoming a free agent?
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4/5/2021  11:34 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:
Nalod wrote:Few buy out guys historically really are impactful. They take pay cuts to chase a ring or play.
Its the reason for freedom.

While those buyout players have smaller roles on stacked teams they would have bigger role impact on other teams. Chasing a ring is weak. Should Ewing demanded a trade to the Bulls? Also, they give up their freedom when they sign these absurd contracts and don't honor them.

And yet it keeps happening?

I don't know what is weaker, chasing a ring or typing it out expecting an NBA player to feel guilty of going to a contender, which they all do and so would 99% of people in the same predicament.

Well your response comes across as weak, condescending, and rude. Hey genius, maybe it keeps happening because the current CBA allows it. Hence why a new approach is needed, not putting people's thoughts down on a legit NBA problem. Even NBA players are getting upset, I'll take their opinion over yours.

That's your comeback? To let me know the CBA exists?

Generally, all teams and all players are chasing a ring. When you are an UFA and a high level player, you force your team to chase players so you can chase a ring or you sign with a different team to - wait for it - chase a ring. They are also chasing high value contracts but this too is known.

NBA players get upset about a whole lot of things?

So what's the new approach?

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4/7/2021  11:58 PM
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:
Nalod wrote:Few buy out guys historically really are impactful. They take pay cuts to chase a ring or play.
Its the reason for freedom.

While those buyout players have smaller roles on stacked teams they would have bigger role impact on other teams. Chasing a ring is weak. Should Ewing demanded a trade to the Bulls? Also, they give up their freedom when they sign these absurd contracts and don't honor them.

And yet it keeps happening?

I don't know what is weaker, chasing a ring or typing it out expecting an NBA player to feel guilty of going to a contender, which they all do and so would 99% of people in the same predicament.

Well your response comes across as weak, condescending, and rude. Hey genius, maybe it keeps happening because the current CBA allows it. Hence why a new approach is needed, not putting people's thoughts down on a legit NBA problem. Even NBA players are getting upset, I'll take their opinion over yours.

That's your comeback? To let me know the CBA exists?

Generally, all teams and all players are chasing a ring. When you are an UFA and a high level player, you force your team to chase players so you can chase a ring or you sign with a different team to - wait for it - chase a ring. They are also chasing high value contracts but this too is known.

NBA players get upset about a whole lot of things?

So what's the new approach?

No comeback was needed, just calling you out on your poor behavior to another Knick lifelong fan. Read the thread from the 1st post and you saw a possible solution.

For those saying pick up on waivers, no one is going to pick up these players on waivers at those ridiculous salaries. But NBA teams should not be allowed to continually manipulate the cap. The Lakers got Mclemore too, where does it stop? Clippers get Boogie, Nets get 2 players. Washed up or mid-level is still better than about 25% or more than the NBA with their skill level and rep with the league/refs. See all this losing by a bucket lately, winners have talent. We do not have enough of it. It ALL matters.

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