The fuc ked up part is he’s reverting to his starting 5 in crunch time WTF is he thinking we need burks and quick out there to end games not Payton and bullock.

Wake the f up

Guess we are stuck nowhere, too good for the lottery and too bad for a playoff run.

Nalod wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Why can’t the media pressure thibs to get Payton on the pine

Really?

Lol

Knicksfan wrote:Hahaha, Thibs is who he is. He will come in, improve your team’s defense and drive you crazy with his stubbornness.

Guess we are stuck nowhere, too good for the lottery and too bad for a playoff run.

Knowing Thibs if he’s lurking on this messageboard chances are Elf is about to lead the league in minutes per game

fitzfarm wrote:Jesus we lost to the Fing twolves ... your starting five is wack and you have a stud in quick you refuse to play ... stop with the vet pride and play your best players this is costing us games

The fuc ked up part is he’s reverting to his starting 5 in crunch time WTF is he thinking we need burks and quick out there to end games not Payton and bullock.

Wake the f up

It's not Payton....its the starting 5...and in general it's the roster that's not balanced. We are not a good shooting team....and the shooters we have are inconsistent. If Payton, RJ or Randle was surrounded by shooters, they will look like studs. But when u play all 3 in crunch time, they make it easy to defend us. Because all 3 are more efficient going to the rim. And when the pressure is on, like in the 4th quarter, you usually go to your high efficient moves.

I agree....quick is the equalizer. But thibs is a players coach. He will ride his players if he feels they have the momentum.

I also noticed his starting unit is focused on defense. If you focus on offense, you have a different starting unit. The problem is our defense alone isn't good enough to get stops all the time, especially at the rim without mitch. Edwards looked like a season vet in crunch time, because the wolves have more balance with capable shooters. And our defense stops penetration but our weakness is guarding the 3....and thats how lost.

In crunch time, they hit their jumpers and we didn't. Itz that simple. But Payton is fine....hes just on the wrong tesm.

TheGame wrote:I went to sleep at the half confident that there was no way the Knicks were losing. I woke up to a shock. Payton played well in first quarter but his lack of a jumpshot is killing us. We will get Ball or someone else to replace Payton this summer, and whoever that player is, we should solve the pg problem finally. We just have to grin and bear it the rest of this year.

Can you really say that any confidence, we have the Draft picks to get one and failed that path several times, we have the assets to trade for one and failed that path, we have had the Cap space to sign one and failed that path.

If Rose is out i would rather start Burks or IQ at the point.

HofstraBBall wrote:Funny the narrative. We know why the same suspects want Payton on the first boat to China. But how about being objective and oh yeah using some facts? Payton only played 27 minutes and still scored 17 points and shot 46% with 2 steals. Many on here would be losing their minds if some of our bench favorites did that. He was also a plus in +/-. Thibs like him in there over IQ because he stays aggressive but still knows to get the ball to Randle and RJ. There could be a better case for why Bullocks, Randle, and Barret played so many minutes. Bullock and Randle were a - 10 and -5. They looked a bit tired towards the end. However, we can point to many games this year that those three came up big in wins down the stretch. So understand a coach going with what got him where he is. Fans have a short memory and forget those games. Quick was a plus 10 but shot 0-4 and has been in the habit of only looking for his shot. Thibs, I believe, is doing what a good coach does. Which is to try to groom him to be more than just a sixth man. Maybe the reason he sits him sometimes. Considering its IQ's first year, not a bad plan. Could Thibs have put Burks in at the end and maybe IQ? Sure. Maybe. But it's all easy to say in hindsight. Do not see too many threads after every win on how Thibs keep in the vets made the difference in the game. I do feel RJ "Mamba's mentality" is a bit out of touch with who the best player or shooter on the team is. Guess you want that in a young star but it sure is frustrating at times when he acts like he is Kobe Bryant.

Thibs loses riding his vets and RJ, he's ignoring the defensive wizardry of Frankie and the next saviour of the Mecca, IQ.

Thibs makes just two more foul shots and we win the game. Freakin stubborn azz coach!