In any case big money for Demar. Bring Rose and Noel back on MLE type deals (Noel will prolly be like $12mm but who knows). I think Bullock might get a close to MLE type deal from a contender and we wont pay that for him so we look like this:

Have a good draft.

Thibs year 2 crew:
PG Rose, Rivers
SG RJ, IQ
SF Demar, Knox
PF Randle, Obi
C Mitch, Noel
Rivers and Knox are placeholders but they are signed so put them in there. NOT included in those 10 are 2 FRPs and the Detroit #2. If we hit on those we could be really cooking.

You have a young base over all. Demar and Rose are your old guys but everyone else is really young, and some guys you hope explode. Would be amazing to hit on some of the draft picks and have a home grown god squad

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:Derozan will be 32 next year. He's really really good. It would be costly but he would be a really good core piece while guys behind him develop, or an asset moving forward unless he gets hurt.

In any case big money for Demar. Bring Rose and Noel back on MLE type deals (Noel will prolly be like $12mm but who knows). I think Bullock might get a close to MLE type deal from a contender and we wont pay that for him so we look like this:

Have a good draft.

Thibs year 2 crew:
PG Rose, Rivers
SG RJ, IQ
SF Demar, Knox
PF Randle, Obi
C Mitch, Noel
Rivers and Knox are placeholders but they are signed so put them in there. NOT included in those 10 are 2 FRPs and the Detroit #2. If we hit on those we could be really cooking.

You have a young base over all. Demar and Rose are your old guys but everyone else is really young, and some guys you hope explode. Would be amazing to hit on some of the draft picks and have a home grown god squad

My issue with guys like Derozan and Oladipo (and Barrett before he starred shooting 57% from 3) are that they are good and athletic and can score in bunches, but their lack of 3 point shooting makes their teammates easier to defend as they can give up a few feet and collapse the floor.

I’m really convinced that a strong 3&D SF would complete the team and a strong 3&D PG would make it a contender. I don’t think Derozan takes the team to the next level, I think he is Barrett’s downside risk.

Not sure why noel would receive a 7 million pay increase as if his #s have double since last season.

I would also like to see a list of 3 and D players that will be available,because i don't recall many of them even exist in the NBA any more.

With Randle playing at this level, Thibs wantting Veterans, i think the knicks tread lightly at the deadline.

Base on what i seen last off season( bailing on trades for westbrook, Cp and Wall) the Knicks are saving their assets for a HOMERUN player. They may send a few 2nd rnd picks for drummond or dipo, but i dont see them doing anything major until the off season.

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:Derozan will be 32 next year. He's really really good. It would be costly but he would be a really good core piece while guys behind him develop, or an asset moving forward unless he gets hurt.

In any case big money for Demar. Bring Rose and Noel back on MLE type deals (Noel will prolly be like $12mm but who knows). I think Bullock might get a close to MLE type deal from a contender and we wont pay that for him so we look like this:

Have a good draft.

Thibs year 2 crew:
PG Rose, Rivers
SG RJ, IQ
SF Demar, Knox
PF Randle, Obi
C Mitch, Noel
Rivers and Knox are placeholders but they are signed so put them in there. NOT included in those 10 are 2 FRPs and the Detroit #2. If we hit on those we could be really cooking.

You have a young base over all. Demar and Rose are your old guys but everyone else is really young, and some guys you hope explode. Would be amazing to hit on some of the draft picks and have a home grown god squad

My issue with guys like Derozan and Oladipo (and Barrett before he starred shooting 57% from 3) are that they are good and athletic and can score in bunches, but their lack of 3 point shooting makes their teammates easier to defend as they can give up a few feet and collapse the floor.

I’m really convinced that a strong 3&D SF would complete the team and a strong 3&D PG would make it a contender. I don’t think Derozan takes the team to the next level, I think he is Barrett’s downside risk.

Not sure why noel would receive a 7 million pay increase as if his #s have double since last season.

I would also like to see a list of 3 and D players that will be available,because i don't recall many of them even exist in the NBA any more.

With Randle playing at this level, Thibs wantting Veterans, i think the knicks tread lightly at the deadline.

Base on what i seen last off season( bailing on trades for westbrook, Cp and Wall) the Knicks are saving their assets for a HOMERUN player. They may send a few 2nd rnd picks for drummond or dipo, but i dont see them doing anything major until the off season.

I mean, Kawhi Leonard and Jrue Holiday are probably the gems of the 3&D crop and are both FAs.

Mike Conley, Danny Green,Bullock and Snell.

Kind of becomes 3 or D after that but I might have missed a couple.

Uptown wrote:Nah, DeRozan ain't it, Fish. Unless you're telling me that we are skipping steps in this rebuild. A rebuild that I'm starting to think that I am fooling myself, if I actually believe that we are still rebuilding. I am terrified of us making a run at players like Oladipo, etc. Guys who are either on the other side of their prime or have seen healthier days and do not necessarily fit needs that we need to fulfill in order to take us to the upper echelon of the East. Guys like 'Dipo and DeRozan may lock us into one of the 6, 7 or 8th seeds.

With the salary cap space we have plus the draft capital, we should be in prime position to eventually lock in to one of the top 4 teams in the east. We just need to be patient, and smart.

He is a shooter.. just not from 3. He's got a fantastic mid range game. Always was and was the lead scorer on a 50 win Raptor teams. What he represents is the best FA upgrade for the Knicks at position of need. I like Bullock alot but you are replacing him with an excellent defensive player who gives you 20ppg and 7 assists and he get his 20ppg on 14 shots. We get nothing from the 3 and 5 (on offense). This gives us an all star caliber player at the 3 and the pipeline stays strong as it doesnt cost anything but cap space

That would be a WILD improvement to this squad

We screwed up not chasing Hayward. We arent winning the lottery. We are looking at mid to late teen picks which could get good players but we would be silly to not make this kind of improvement.

What is the downside/upside?

upside is a deeper playoff run and you add another piece while you continue to develop and draft your pipeline. Hard to look past his production and eff% when its a position of need

Dont worry, I wont start a "get Demar" thread every week as some do for their guys because he's not really my guy. Looking around the league at FAs and capped teams our next offseason isnt simple. There arent clear FA choices with our $65whatever millions in cap space, and Demar gives you a 2 way guy at a position of need.

Uptown wrote:Nah, DeRozan ain't it, Fish. Unless you're telling me that we are skipping steps in this rebuild. A rebuild that I'm starting to think that I am fooling myself, if I actually believe that we are still rebuilding. I am terrified of us making a run at players like Oladipo, etc. Guys who are either on the other side of their prime or have seen healthier days and do not necessarily fit needs that we need to fulfill in order to take us to the upper echelon of the East. Guys like 'Dipo and DeRozan may lock us into one of the 6, 7 or 8th seeds.

With the salary cap space we have plus the draft capital, we should be in prime position to eventually lock in to one of the top 4 teams in the east. We just need to be patient, and smart.

Ha - that's why we're all unsettled... this would be a first :)

Hopefully, we can also add a couple more usable pieces in the draft.