fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:Be it frank, or any other player if we have better alternatives coming in then we move on. We can’t see the effects of a potential trade in real time and opportunities it creates.
Look at Boston, Kyrie leaves after he was traded. That depleted them. Kemba is a shell of his former self this season. Maybe he gets better. Now if Kyrie stays, and Haywood healthy that core is incredible. Perhaps there is a path if AD wanted to go to Boston and resign they make a big trade. There were windows for them that did not open. Bad luck with Haywood and Kyrie. They came close and there are too many “What ifs” to reconstruct in real time.

My point is the guys all listed long term? Really if none of them stick we good as long as “the unseen” supplements what goes out with better coming in. We have more assets on the roster and picks coming than I can recall with a ton of cap space and cap flex that so many things are possible.
Can’t see it, but its there.

there are two big lessons from the above. 1) you keep talent and 2) if you lose it you dont overpay a replacement

Kemba is good, he's just not a max guy and he's not as good as Kyrie even with the mental BS

Boston messed up big time but maybe the players they had also didn't want tot stick with the team.

Al Horford, Kyrie, Hayward, Terry Rozier.

Keep Rozier and maybe the loss of Kyrie doesn't bring on the kneecapped Kemba and you have a tough as nails backcourt of Rozier/Smart.

Move Hayward for Myles Turner if you can and perhaps keep Horford.

Horford, Turner, Tatytum, Brown, Rozier is TOUGH

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:Be it frank, or any other player if we have better alternatives coming in then we move on. We can’t see the effects of a potential trade in real time and opportunities it creates.
Look at Boston, Kyrie leaves after he was traded. That depleted them. Kemba is a shell of his former self this season. Maybe he gets better. Now if Kyrie stays, and Haywood healthy that core is incredible. Perhaps there is a path if AD wanted to go to Boston and resign they make a big trade. There were windows for them that did not open. Bad luck with Haywood and Kyrie. They came close and there are too many “What ifs” to reconstruct in real time.

My point is the guys all listed long term? Really if none of them stick we good as long as “the unseen” supplements what goes out with better coming in. We have more assets on the roster and picks coming than I can recall with a ton of cap space and cap flex that so many things are possible.
Can’t see it, but its there.

there are two big lessons from the above. 1) you keep talent and 2) if you lose it you dont overpay a replacement

Kemba is good, he's just not a max guy and he's not as good as Kyrie even with the mental BS

Boston messed up big time but maybe the players they had also didn't want tot stick with the team.

Al Horford, Kyrie, Hayward, Terry Rozier.

Keep Rozier and maybe the loss of Kyrie doesn't bring on the kneecapped Kemba and you have a tough as nails backcourt of Rozier/Smart.

Move Hayward for Myles Turner if you can and perhaps keep Horford.

Horford, Turner, Tatytum, Brown, Rozier is TOUGH

Danny Ainge screwed up that Hayward thing big time. He had Turner and McDermott standing offer and decided to play chicken with Hayward. Such a strange situation. He got ****y and paid for it big time. That one trade back in 2013 basically got them Smart, Tatum, and Brown. Other than that he's done nothing with his draft picks or from a team-building standpoint since 2007.

If i were in charge I would keep Noel. I think the Knicks should resign Mitch (yesterday!! to keep him focused and happy), but if he gets all psychotic on his demands Noel would do a nice job for less. That said, we are seeing the best Noel has to offer (great D; stone hands). We are just seeing the tip of the iceberb with Mitch who is so coordinated and athletic.

rose will be tied to Thibs. I think they have a lot of trust in each other. I just dont see him moving any time soon

Burks and Bullock are more of an enigma. I like Burks far more; he's a big guard with a reliable stroke and the right mindset. He was a bit of a disappointment early in his career but seems very comfortable now and playing within himself. The biggest murkiness in my book is the Knick very badly need a reliable 3 who can hit shots and wants to kill the opponent. When that guy comes, Bullock for sure will be a sitting duck -- fans will like him but c'mon. Burks role will be similarly affected

for the first time in a long time Knicks are really looking primed for a move up. It's often said you need to get a little lucky in the draft. We got Mitch in the second round. We got IQ late in the first. We get one or more of Obi, Frank or KK to really contribute, plus upcoming picks and some of these guys are going to be happy footnotes in the story of our revival

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:Be it frank, or any other player if we have better alternatives coming in then we move on. We can’t see the effects of a potential trade in real time and opportunities it creates.
Look at Boston, Kyrie leaves after he was traded. That depleted them. Kemba is a shell of his former self this season. Maybe he gets better. Now if Kyrie stays, and Haywood healthy that core is incredible. Perhaps there is a path if AD wanted to go to Boston and resign they make a big trade. There were windows for them that did not open. Bad luck with Haywood and Kyrie. They came close and there are too many “What ifs” to reconstruct in real time.

My point is the guys all listed long term? Really if none of them stick we good as long as “the unseen” supplements what goes out with better coming in. We have more assets on the roster and picks coming than I can recall with a ton of cap space and cap flex that so many things are possible.
Can’t see it, but its there.

there are two big lessons from the above. 1) you keep talent and 2) if you lose it you dont overpay a replacement

Kemba is good, he's just not a max guy and he's not as good as Kyrie even with the mental BS

Kemba looks slow. Not good when you’re on like year 2 of a max contract

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:ha just like that:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1366759996797681664

I wonder if Ainge would be willing to offer us either Brown or Tatum if we offered to take on Walker’s horrible contract plus multiple draft picks

We give picks to take them back?
what do you propose is a fair trade?

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:ha just like that:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1366759996797681664

I wonder if Ainge would be willing to offer us either Brown or Tatum if we offered to take on Walker’s horrible contract plus multiple draft picks

We give picks to take them back?
what do you propose is a fair trade?

Knicks get: Brown or Tatum
Celtics get: we take on Kemba’s horrific contract + our 2021 1st round pick

Ainge would have to seriously consider that. Kemba would share PG with IQ which is the best situation for him as a player with his knee problems and we get a major upgrade at SF

You think Kemba is killing the franchise to the extent that he has to be pared with Tatum, a top 5 young player as a salary dump? Tatum is a godsend cornerstone at age 22 and Boston won’t replace him inside anything close to the rest of Kemba’s contract duration.
what does boston get in return for the salary relief? A 10th pick? Who in this draft is better than Tatum?