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Knixkik
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2/21/2021  8:06 AM
Grant has exploded as a SF for Detroit this year. His contract of 19 mil a year on a long term deal looks like a bargain. I’m sure Detroit is obviously happy with him but would have to consider trading him for assets as they are going full rebuild. Grant is still just 26 years old and is a legit 2-way player averaging 24 ppg, 5 rebs, and 3 asts on decent efficiency. He makes threes and seems like he will continue to get better. I agree with the consensus about not trading the farm for Beal or LaVine, and Grant would represent an alternative. Grant would significantly raise the ceiling of this team and the cost would essentially be our non-core assets. Toppin would be a starting point, who I don’t want to trade of course but if Randle is a core piece than Toppin’s peak value is now. Toppin, Knox and the Dallas first round pick for Grant? Just throwing stuff out there.

Robinson, Randle, Grant, Barrett, and Quickley is a heck of a core group and future starting 5. All young and Grant raises the upside of this team with scoring, shooting and defense. That group gives us a legit playoff team now with upside down grow into more, and considering Randle and Robinson’s cap holds in 2022, the Knicks can still make a legit play for Beal, LaVine or whomever as a feee agent in 2022. Thoughts ?
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2/21/2021  9:14 AM
Toppin, Payton and second round pick.
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2/21/2021  9:33 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:Toppin, Payton and second round pick.

He will cost more but not a bad starting point. I believe trading for Grant over Beal or LaVine basically means we can get 75% of the offense but instead of taking a step backwards defensively we would actually be taking a step forward by replacing Bullock with Grant in the lineup. We would be a significantly better team without mortgaging the future. We would simply be trading the players/ assets that are probably seen as expendable at this point. Detroit meanwhile is going full rebuild and would have Haynes, Toppin, Bey and Stewart from this draft class and would likely add a top pick and Cade, Suggs, or Green would all fit nicely with that core.
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2/21/2021  10:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2021  10:23 AM
Interesting

This could work


We would have to put toghethor a bench through the draft and cheaper value talent acquisition.


Draft a mid tier pg like ayo


Plus this would leave us still with cap to sign a all star

The sacrifice would be 4 years of Toppin and Knox. Replacing 22 years old for 26.

Plus Toppin won’t see any starting minutes for like 5 years if Randle turns into a consistent all star.

I think Knox and Toppin will be pretty good 4 years now.


I don’t know if the Pistons would be interested or not but this is a creative idea for both sides. I could see both sides being happy 4 years from now
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2/21/2021  11:09 AM
I’d be very interested, depending on cost. Absolutely the right kind of player we need.

Every analysis for me includes both cost now, benefit now and available replacements in FA. The SF market is pretty thin across the board.

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2/21/2021  11:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2021  11:37 AM
xblvdels3 wrote:Interesting

This could work


We would have to put toghethor a bench through the draft and cheaper value talent acquisition.


Draft a mid tier pg like ayo


Plus this would leave us still with cap to sign a all star

The sacrifice would be 4 years of Toppin and Knox. Replacing 22 years old for 26.

Plus Toppin won’t see any starting minutes for like 5 years if Randle turns into a consistent all star.

I think Knox and Toppin will be pretty good 4 years now.


I don’t know if the Pistons would be interested or not but this is a creative idea for both sides. I could see both sides being happy 4 years from now

Our bench would include Rose, Rivers, a resigned Bullock or Burks on a 1 year deal, our 3 draft picks and possibly bringing Noel back on a 1 year deal. Good depth and that starting 5 of Robinson, Randle, Grant, Barrett, and Quickley would be a huge step forward for the franchise. Grant has emerged in the same way Randle has, he’s just a step below in terms of talent/ impact.
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2/21/2021  11:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2021  11:52 AM
The thing about trading for Beal or LaVine is I don’t consider them anywhere near the level of player that melo was when we traded for him, and the cost today will be more. Looking back we gave up what of real value ? 1 first round pick, 1 pick swap and a couple of solid young players in Gallinari and Chandler ? Plus we got back Billups too. Compare that to going after a lesser star today in Beal and you’re talking 3 FRP, 2 pick swaps and probably 1 of our good young players in Barrett or Quickley who I feel are better prospects than Gallinari or chandler ever were. It’s a steep price to pay. If we are losing control over our picks and trading a top tier young player it has to be for a young game-charger who would eventually have a shot at being a top 10 player. Someone like Donavan Mitchell before he resigned or D Fox. The goal should be to use the extra picks and non-core youth to find a player who solidifies this as a playoff team. Then hope the true missing star player comes via free agency because they see a team that is 1 piece away from contender. Basically in proposing Toppin, Knox And 1 or both Dallas picks for the best possible player age 27 or younger that fits and Grant is a good example of that type of player.
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2/21/2021  12:31 PM
Not a bad idea at all - just not sure JG would be available as they just gave up on C. Wood, Drummond and are now looking to move B.Griffin. Their french rookie is injured as well. So who's left to build around unless they're going full tank.

I'd be okay with it as Toppin won't see any real playing time behind Randle or Mitch. Knox I'd help pack!
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2/21/2021  12:31 PM
Knixkik wrote:The thing about trading for Beal or LaVine is I don’t consider them anywhere near the level of player that melo was when we traded for him, and the cost today will be more. Looking back we gave up what of real value ? 1 first round pick, 1 pick swap and a couple of solid young players in Gallinari and Chandler ? Plus we got back Billups too. Compare that to going after a lesser star today in Beal and you’re talking 3 FRP, 2 pick swaps and probably 1 of our good young players in Barrett or Quickley who I feel are better prospects than Gallinari or chandler ever were. It’s a steep price to pay. If we are losing control over our picks and trading a top tier young player it has to be for a young game-charger who would eventually have a shot at being a top 10 player. Someone like Donavan Mitchell before he resigned or D Fox. The goal should be to use the extra picks and non-core youth to find a player who solidifies this as a playoff team. Then hope the true missing star player comes via free agency because they see a team that is 1 piece away from contender. Basically in proposing Toppin, Knox And 1 or both Dallas picks for the best possible player age 27 or younger that fits and Grant is a good example of that type of player.


I agree. That’s two twenty point scorers. We would just need 1 more all star player.
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2/21/2021  12:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2021  12:45 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Not a bad idea at all - just not sure JG would be available as they just gave up on C. Wood, Drummond and are now looking to move B.Griffin. Their french rookie is injured as well. So who's left to build around unless they're going full tank.

I'd be okay with it as Toppin won't see any real playing time behind Randle or Mitch. Knox I'd help pack!


Lol believe it or not I think Knox will be a solid contributor in this league when he is 26. He can already shoot. If he learns 1 more skill/go to move that’s an automatic 15ppg+ player. H averaged nearly 13 ppg as a rookie. RJ averaged 14.


What he seems to lack that RJ has is confidence and the belief he is the man. Also it would help if the coaching staff believed in it as well lol. Like I said I think you will be surprised by Knox in 4 years. He might be putting up near grant point production numbers. He has all the tools except motor and coordination 😅 ( on an elite nba level )

The guy is 6-8 without shoes.
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2/21/2021  12:47 PM
If you moved Toppin, Knox and say the 2022 1st (Top 10 protected) for Grant, I think you are no longer major players in the 21-22 offseason. Which is ok cause that market is drying up.

If you make that move, I think you need to look around the league and pull the trigger on your 3&D guard also. By making both moves before the deadline, you approach the cap deadline and maybe you look at waiver players, you can use your space exception or your MLE if there is a waiver player that makes sense.

For example, if the Knicks made a move for Terry Frazier at the same time. I might even make a move for John Collins in the same breathe. You want to make smart deals, but target guys on the cusp with a reasonable contract coming in. You can pay them in a year or two.

You go into the offseason with this. That’s a pretty solid defense with improvements on offense from the current team. Then you wheel and deal in the offseason with the MLE and lateral+ moves.

Frazier 19m/Rose 7m
Barrett 9m/Quickley 2m
Grant 19m/Bullock 4m
Randle 20m/Collins (RFA 6.3mm QO?)
Robinson (2m)/Noel (5m)

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2/21/2021  12:55 PM
Detroit has the same thread on UltimatePistons.com but it's trading for Julius. They want to trade us Josh Jackson, Wayne Ellington and a protected 1st out to 18.

What do you guys think?

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2/21/2021  1:00 PM
martin wrote:Detroit has the same thread on UltimatePistons.com but it's trading for Julius. They want to trade us Josh Jackson, Wayne Ellington and a protected 1st out to 18.

What do you guys think?

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2/21/2021  1:04 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Not a bad idea at all - just not sure JG would be available as they just gave up on C. Wood, Drummond and are now looking to move B.Griffin. Their french rookie is injured as well. So who's left to build around unless they're going full tank.

I'd be okay with it as Toppin won't see any real playing time behind Randle or Mitch. Knox I'd help pack!

I believe that given the upcoming draft they are planning on a full tank. There’s an opening for them to easily be the worst team in the league and secure one of the best players. And I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that Cade is the best prospect. There’s 5 guys fighting for the #1 pick who are all in a similar tier.
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2/21/2021  1:04 PM
martin wrote:Detroit has the same thread on UltimatePistons.com but it's trading for Julius. They want to trade us Josh Jackson, Wayne Ellington and a protected 1st out to 18.

What do you guys think?

Do they have a "Get Paid, Get Cade" thread? What are their thoughts on reacquiring Drummond to energize their playoff run?

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2/21/2021  1:05 PM
martin wrote:Detroit has the same thread on UltimatePistons.com but it's trading for Julius. They want to trade us Josh Jackson, Wayne Ellington and a protected 1st out to 18.

What do you guys think?

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2/21/2021  1:07 PM
martin wrote:Detroit has the same thread on UltimatePistons.com but it's trading for Julius. They want to trade us Josh Jackson, Wayne Ellington and a protected 1st out to 18.

What do you guys think?

Hold on, assume Knicks lose the next 10 and are near last in the league. If someone offered us a recent top 10 draft pick with 4 more years of control, an underperforming top 10 draft pick with 2 years of control and a protected first for Randle, you wouldn’t consider it? Even if the Knicks were last in the league and not showing signs of life?

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2/21/2021  1:07 PM
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martin wrote:Detroit has the same thread on UltimatePistons.com but it's trading for Julius. They want to trade us Josh Jackson, Wayne Ellington and a protected 1st out to 18.

What do you guys think?

Do they have a "Get Paid, Get Cade" thread? What are their thoughts on reacquiring Drummond to energize their playoff run?

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2/21/2021  1:19 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:Detroit has the same thread on UltimatePistons.com but it's trading for Julius. They want to trade us Josh Jackson, Wayne Ellington and a protected 1st out to 18.

What do you guys think?

Terrible joke!!!

Latest offer from Detroit now includes DSJr, JJ, Wayne and the protected pick. FO is trying to jam this trade thru RealGM Trade Checker to make sure it works, hold on

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Knixkik wrote:The thing about trading for Beal or LaVine is I don’t consider them anywhere near the level of player that melo was when we traded for him, and the cost today will be more. Looking back we gave up what of real value ? 1 first round pick, 1 pick swap and a couple of solid young players in Gallinari and Chandler ? Plus we got back Billups too. Compare that to going after a lesser star today in Beal and you’re talking 3 FRP, 2 pick swaps and probably 1 of our good young players in Barrett or Quickley who I feel are better prospects than Gallinari or chandler ever were. It’s a steep price to pay. If we are losing control over our picks and trading a top tier young player it has to be for a young game-charger who would eventually have a shot at being a top 10 player. Someone like Donavan Mitchell before he resigned or D Fox. The goal should be to use the extra picks and non-core youth to find a player who solidifies this as a playoff team. Then hope the true missing star player comes via free agency because they see a team that is 1 piece away from contender. Basically in proposing Toppin, Knox And 1 or both Dallas picks for the best possible player age 27 or younger that fits and Grant is a good example of that type of player.

The Talent and Coaching melo Had around him in Denver was 20x better than what Beal and Lavine have. They both are worth multiple 1st rnd picks with RJ.

What you also have to realize is that the BULLS are 1 game out of the 8th, and the Wiz are 2.5 games out of the 8th

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