A first round pick and a future second and 2-3 situational players get this done?

If you want Beal or Lavine wait for them to be free agents

xblvdels3 wrote:1. The way we are playing we won’t finish high enough to get a cade or suggs.
2. As good as rose can be his age will slow him down. You won’t get top energy/production consistently
3. Ball shoots a respectable 3 percentage.
4. Young legs. Can run with obi. Fits core timeline.
5. If he is starting there won’t be a ton of shots with Randle and RJ left
6. Very good floor facilitator.
7. Adequate defense
8. Yes there are better free agent guards out there but they are on the wrong side of 30.
9. We can stop worrying over a pg.

A first round pick and a future second and 2-3 situational players get this done?

If you want Beal or Lavine wait for them to be free agents

Honestly I do agree. I didn't think initially he would be an upgrade, but I think he would. He can play the 1 or 2 (he's a good fit next to Quickley long term) and he plays defense and gives that extra playmaker. He would make life easier for Barrett (who moves well without the ball) and Randle (who needs spacing and ball movement so defenses don't collapse). He gives a big playmaker we lack in a game like last night, and the volume 3pt shooting seems to be settling a bit. He's not a great shooter, but he shows he can get hot like Austin Rivers but much more consistently. I won't sell the farm for Beal or LaVine now for sure, and Ball is a cheaper, younger option who plays better defense.

- SF RJ BARRET 8.6m *

- C MITCHEL ROBINSON 1.8m *

- SG (beal)( cap room 2022) (Lavine cap room (2023)

- PG L ball ( 1 first rounder 1 second rounder Knox ntlikina or Fran)

PF O. Toppin 5.1m

SF Corey kispert K. Knox 5.6m ( possibly traded)

C drafted player/vet signed player

SG Derrick rose 7.7m (pg sg)

PG I. Quickley 2.2m *

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:- PF JULIUS RANDLE 20m *

- SF RJ BARRET 8.6m *

- C MITCHEL ROBINSON 1.8m *

- SG (beal)( cap room 2022) (Lavine cap room (2023)

- PG L ball ( 1 first rounder 1 second rounder Knox ntlikina or Fran)

PF O. Toppin 5.1m

SF Corey kispert K. Knox 5.6m ( possibly traded)

C drafted player/vet min

SG Derrick rose 7.7m

PG I. Quickley 2.2m *

Agreed as a long-term option but for next year i would like to see:

C Robinson/ Noel
PF Randle/ Toppin
SF Barrett/ Kispert
SG Ball/ Bullock
PG Quickley/ Rose

That would be an excellent 10-man rotation for next year plus 2 additional draft picks and Knox. Depth, playmaking, shooting, defend, etc all in that rotation. I don;t buy Ball as a starting PG, but more of a combo guard, and would be a nice compliment to Quickley.

I would offer Minny OBI/Mitch and 2 first rounders for TOWNS

we would instantly become contenders

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:- PF JULIUS RANDLE 20m *

- SF RJ BARRET 8.6m *

- C MITCHEL ROBINSON 1.8m *

- SG (beal)( cap room 2022) (Lavine cap room (2023)

- PG L ball ( 1 first rounder 1 second rounder Knox ntlikina or Fran)

PF O. Toppin 5.1m

SF Corey kispert K. Knox 5.6m ( possibly traded)

C drafted player/vet min

SG Derrick rose 7.7m

PG I. Quickley 2.2m *

Agreed as a long-term option but for next year i would like to see:

C Robinson/ Noel
PF Randle/ Toppin
SF Barrett/ Kispert
SG Ball/ Bullock
PG Quickley/ Rose

That would be an excellent 10-man rotation for next year plus 2 additional draft picks and Knox. Depth, playmaking, shooting, defend, etc all in that rotation. I don;t buy Ball as a starting PG, but more of a combo guard, and would be a nice compliment to Quickley.

I agree

HofstraBBall wrote:Question to all on thread that feel this is a good idea. The Pels have the most improved player in NBA for 2020 and an all start in Ingram. They have the chosen one in Zion. They have a player in Bledsoe that this fan base would have given their first born for a couple years back. They have Steven Adams who is probably top 15 among centers. They have a sharp shooting vet in Redick. They have a former first and solid complimentary young piece in Josh Hart. And of course the former Knick fandom saviors to be in Hermagomez and Kira Lewis. You would think that adding our proposed future final piece savior (Lonzo) would propel them to top three. Yet the Pelicans are 12 and 16?????

This seems like the Pels trying to see who is desperate enough to offer assets for a piece that quite frankly has more hype that substance. Can he be a very good player in the league. Of course. Has he shown that he deserves the same value as multiple players and draft picks? Unless everyone thinks the Knicks should be desperate than okay. I don't.

The Pelicans are a rebuilding team who really don't have a lot of plus players. Redick and Bledsoe have both lost a step. Adams too. Zion isn't a major impact player yet. Ingram is really good but not sure if he's a superstar yet. I think Randle is more productive at this point. I just think as of right now their talent pool is a bit overrated. Zion, Ingram, and Lewis are the future there, but that's not a winning core group yet.

Let’s not forget Lavar never really goes away.

HofstraBBall wrote:Question to all on thread that feel this is a good idea. The Pels have the most improved player in NBA for 2020 and an all start in Ingram. They have the chosen one in Zion. They have a player in Bledsoe that this fan base would have given their first born for a couple years back. They have Steven Adams who is probably top 15 among centers. They have a sharp shooting vet in Redick. They have a former first and solid complimentary young piece in Josh Hart. And of course the former Knick fandom saviors to be in Hermagomez and Kira Lewis. You would think that adding our proposed future final piece savior (Lonzo) would propel them to top three. Yet the Pelicans are 12 and 16?????

This seems like the Pels trying to see who is desperate enough to offer assets for a piece that quite frankly has more hype that substance. Can he be a very good player in the league. Of course. Has he shown that he deserves the same value as multiple players and draft picks? Unless everyone thinks the Knicks should be desperate than okay. I don't.

Who said Lonzo ball was our savior. I just said he makes the most sense for us. (Keep adding players) we have the cap to pick up another all star also.

martin wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:1. The way we are playing we won’t finish high enough to get a cade or suggs.
2. As good as rose can be his age will slow him down. You won’t get top energy/production consistently
3. Ball shoots a respectable 3 percentage.
4. Young legs. Can run with obi. Fits core timeline.
5. If he is starting there won’t be a ton of shots with Randle and RJ left
6. Very good floor facilitator.
7. Adequate defense
8. Yes there are better free agent guards out there but they are on the wrong side of 30.
9. We can stop worrying over a pg.

A first round pick and a future second and 2-3 situational players get this done?

Crossed off the points that really don't move the needle on the decision making process in a trade for Lonzo.

Additional considerations:

1. What 1st round pick and how heavily protected?
2. What price do you see re-signing Lonzo and how does it effect salary cap going forward?
3. If Lonzo is all of the things you describe, why is NOH trading him?
4. What is his upside that would entice you to trade for him? Right now he is not really pushing a team fully of talent

Ok Martin I’m tired of trying to put toghethor a respectable realistic basketball team that can be good for a long time.

I give up!!! Let’s trade everyone for Beal!!! I’m done.

I’m offering 3 first round picks a second and RJ Barret and Knox and rivers.

Let’s move this needle!!!! 😅😂

1. Pelicans have to many good pgs already
2. Give them out first round pick this year
3. He is a floor general and a quality starting pg ( he is not the savior) just the pg. I wouldn’t pay no more than 15m per season for him next year.

How can you seriously look at my future lineup and not think we cannot challenge for a championship for the next 5 years ??

In 3 years RJ will be 20 ppg

Randle will be 20 ppg

Beal/Lavine would be 25-30ppg

Ball would be 15 ppg

Mitch could be 13 ppg

How can you seriously trash my lineup????

If you want to play gm with me I can answer everyone of your questions but the truth is you have your idea for a lineup and anyone who doesn’t include your desired players you bash.

I’m not rookie to this game. I know the finances as well as the game

If you want to get really technical with the gm
Questions to me just ask I’ll answer.

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:From our point of view, Lonzo is not worth any of our 1st round picks. It's just not good business. I would give them a 2nd and Kevin Knox. That's as high as I would go.

Do you know who are the most likely players to be drafted 10-20????? They are in his level

In terms of trade i would try the Detroit 2nd round pick (which will be basically a late first) and Knox. I would hard pass on a first because he's a free agent coming up. If he were on his rookie contract for awhile it might be a different scenario, but he's not worth a first rounder going into free agency. I think we can grab him this offseason anyways, which i would love to do, so can't offer too much prior to the deadline.

Exactly but if I was to write that down people would say I’m crazy and trying to get players for nothing.

Of course if I was the gm I would start low first.

You are spot on on your analysis.