fishmike wrote:Im so glad we didnt bring him back. People here were crazy for wanting him. "Better than Fizdale" is not a qualification for running an NBA team

I wanted to retain him as I thought we improved under him, he won COY for our D or G or Q or whatever league, I thought he developed some of those guys, and in other sports I like it when coaches climb the minors

That said this was the right move... it was hard to argue against Thibs then, and now that we see he’s way better at reaching young men than advertised it is clear it shouldn’t have been a debate. Me personally I was pretty concerned about Thibs coaching like it was the 90s because of Phil

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so glad we didnt bring him back. People here were crazy for wanting him. "Better than Fizdale" is not a qualification for running an NBA team

He did a great job though in a tough situation. I felt he earned associate head coach role but I understand bringing in Bryant and Payne the main focus was player development at the top of the assistant coach ladder so I get it. He could have been there in place of Woodson but it's fine either way.

Yeah, Frank, Kevin and (no longer) Dennis have been developing very nicely riding the pine behind such superstars as Bullock and Burks.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so glad we didnt bring him back. People here were crazy for wanting him. "Better than Fizdale" is not a qualification for running an NBA team

He did a great job though in a tough situation. I felt he earned associate head coach role but I understand bringing in Bryant and Payne the main focus was player development at the top of the assistant coach ladder so I get it. He could have been there in place of Woodson but it's fine either way.

What's your barometer for earning the associate head coaching role? I'm perplexed by that. I know some felt that Miller had done enough to earn a shot at the head coaching position and I scratch my head even harder.

Johnnie Bryant has been a successful assistant coach on a winning team over several different roles for Utah since 2012; dev coach first and then larger one as an assistant and I really don't even know the difference between those 2 roles. He has proven to establish key relationships and trust from players like Lillard, Mitchell, Hayward and was directly instrumental in their development. He had an 8 year track record on a super solid Utah team in the NBA.

I do think the FO for the Knicks also wanted to establish a pipeline of sorts and it starts with Johnnie Bryant who is only 34 years old. Feel like Bryant and Payne are the 2 outside the box guys they added but Johnnie is the obvious young guy who is being groomed by Thibs to eventually take over.

fishmike wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so glad we didnt bring him back. People here were crazy for wanting him. "Better than Fizdale" is not a qualification for running an NBA team

He did a great job though in a tough situation. I felt he earned associate head coach role but I understand bringing in Bryant and Payne the main focus was player development at the top of the assistant coach ladder so I get it. He could have been there in place of Woodson but it's fine either way.

Yeah, Frank, Kevin and (no longer) Dennis have been developing very nicely riding the pine behind such superstars as Bullock and Burks.

LOL! You are blaming Thibs for Frank, DSmith and Knox's poor development? You really think those guys should be playing over Bullock and Burks? Both have been very good role players... DS was terrible. Frank had one good outing then as per usual became unavailable for a month with a sprained knee that didnt even happen in a real game (practice) and Knox played his way out of minutes

Think of the roles Bullock and Burks play. Both are shooters who compete defensively. Frank, Knox, and Dennis never developed into 2-way players. Knox can only shoot sometimes, Frank can only defend, and in a league where you need to get as many 2-way players as possible, Dennis Smith is really a no-way player.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so glad we didnt bring him back. People here were crazy for wanting him. "Better than Fizdale" is not a qualification for running an NBA team

He did a great job though in a tough situation. I felt he earned associate head coach role but I understand bringing in Bryant and Payne the main focus was player development at the top of the assistant coach ladder so I get it. He could have been there in place of Woodson but it's fine either way.

Yeah, Frank, Kevin and (no longer) Dennis have been developing very nicely riding the pine behind such superstars as Bullock and Burks.

LOL! You are blaming Thibs for Frank, DSmith and Knox's poor development? You really think those guys should be playing over Bullock and Burks? Both have been very good role players... DS was terrible. Frank had one good outing then as per usual became unavailable for a month with a sprained knee that didnt even happen in a real game (practice) and Knox played his way out of minutes

Not the point. Thibs didnt turn them into stars either, so why hold that against Miller in half a season? Miller has a track record of developing, "coaching up" players. A good rep in that dept.

Also showed he was good with Xs and Os. Also thought his time with the franchise, his success with the org. should have been rewarded. Its an old fashioned concept these days.

In the end the FO wanted a name. I still am concerned about Thibs leaning on some players too much but overall Im pleased with the progress. Hope Miller gets a full season as head coach somewhere in the league.

"(Thibodeau's) attention to detail is unbelievable," Randle said Monday night. "We go into games so prepared, like every game is a playoff game. That's how good he is. He's a complete culture-changer for sure. He's held everyone accountable. We're all enjoying the process."

miller is nothing more than an assistant, who can assist in the development dept.

He was over 10 games below 500, should that be rewarded with a contract?

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so glad we didnt bring him back. People here were crazy for wanting him. "Better than Fizdale" is not a qualification for running an NBA team

He did a great job though in a tough situation. I felt he earned associate head coach role but I understand bringing in Bryant and Payne the main focus was player development at the top of the assistant coach ladder so I get it. He could have been there in place of Woodson but it's fine either way.

Yeah, Frank, Kevin and (no longer) Dennis have been developing very nicely riding the pine behind such superstars as Bullock and Burks.

LOL! You are blaming Thibs for Frank, DSmith and Knox's poor development? You really think those guys should be playing over Bullock and Burks? Both have been very good role players... DS was terrible. Frank had one good outing then as per usual became unavailable for a month with a sprained knee that didnt even happen in a real game (practice) and Knox played his way out of minutes

Not the point. Thibs didnt turn them into stars either, so why hold that against Miller in half a season? Miller has a track record of developing, "coaching up" players. A good rep in that dept.

Also showed he was good with Xs and Os. Also thought his time with the franchise, his success with the org. should have been rewarded. Its an old fashioned concept these days.

In the end the FO wanted a name. I still am concerned about Thibs leaning on some players too much but overall Im pleased with the progress. Hope Miller gets a full season as head coach somewhere in the league.

"(Thibodeau's) attention to detail is unbelievable," Randle said Monday night. "We go into games so prepared, like every game is a playoff game. That's how good he is. He's a complete culture-changer for sure. He's held everyone accountable. We're all enjoying the process."

miller is nothing more than an assistant, who can assist in the development dept.

He was over 10 games below 500, should that be rewarded with a contract?

Miller's record came after a 4 - 18 start. So Miller inherited a team in free-fall and with the MSM calling for FO heads to roll.

So when you are comparing records of coaches who have summer league and weeks of camp and so on - that's NOT what Miller inherited.

Your opinion in this and many cases is less than worthless.

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so glad we didnt bring him back. People here were crazy for wanting him. "Better than Fizdale" is not a qualification for running an NBA team

He did a great job though in a tough situation. I felt he earned associate head coach role but I understand bringing in Bryant and Payne the main focus was player development at the top of the assistant coach ladder so I get it. He could have been there in place of Woodson but it's fine either way.

Yeah, Frank, Kevin and (no longer) Dennis have been developing very nicely riding the pine behind such superstars as Bullock and Burks.

LOL! You are blaming Thibs for Frank, DSmith and Knox's poor development? You really think those guys should be playing over Bullock and Burks? Both have been very good role players... DS was terrible. Frank had one good outing then as per usual became unavailable for a month with a sprained knee that didnt even happen in a real game (practice) and Knox played his way out of minutes

Not the point. Thibs didnt turn them into stars either, so why hold that against Miller in half a season? Miller has a track record of developing, "coaching up" players. A good rep in that dept.

Also showed he was good with Xs and Os. Also thought his time with the franchise, his success with the org. should have been rewarded. Its an old fashioned concept these days.

In the end the FO wanted a name. I still am concerned about Thibs leaning on some players too much but overall Im pleased with the progress. Hope Miller gets a full season as head coach somewhere in the league.

"(Thibodeau's) attention to detail is unbelievable," Randle said Monday night. "We go into games so prepared, like every game is a playoff game. That's how good he is. He's a complete culture-changer for sure. He's held everyone accountable. We're all enjoying the process."

miller is nothing more than an assistant, who can assist in the development dept.

He was over 10 games below 500, should that be rewarded with a contract?

Miller's record came after a 4 - 18 start. So Miller inherited a team in free-fall and with the MSM calling for FO heads to roll.

So when you are comparing records of coaches who have summer league and weeks of camp and so on - that's NOT what Miller inherited.

Your opinion in this and many cases is less than worthless.

The only person that was impressed by mike miller was you and a couple of other knick fans with sub level standards

Raise your standard and you wouldn't root so much for sub level players and coaches

Why Isn't he the Head coach of the NYK or even part of the coaching staff, because he was less than impressive to put it nicely

Why wasn't he interviewed for any of the number of open head coaching Gigs, Because he didn't impress anyone

I don't recall a single player vouching for him..

Inn order to retain an Interim position you have to finish 500 or above, thats a no brainer.

And he was in training camp

A few did say some nice things about Miller early on. Gave him a "gatorade bath", his first win.

Talked about more attention to detail. You held Miller to a standard elite coaches couldnt satisfy, with a relative handful of games, no prep work, and a pandemic.