newyorknewyork wrote:Think its a mutual agreement with Drummond who doesn't want to be there. And this is pretty standard to avoid injury before deadline. After deadline he will probably be bought out if not traded. Otherwise he could probably take it up with the players union or something if it really was shady.

KP is viewed as a diva, because KP is a diva. He played 2.5 seasons in the league before attempting a power play.

And bitched out on the exit interview cause he didn’t want the Knicks to tell him not to play Worlds. Bush league nonsense.

He talked about players being villified for asking for a trade, yet the owners can trade you at the drop of a hat. Ok, Dre, next time negotiate a no trade clause in your contract, because the process of trading players is negotiated into your collective bargaining agreement that your union negotiated and your union brothers voted to pass. And the reason players are vilified for asking for a trade is how they act afterwards. There are certain players who do it right, and certain players who are James Harden.

Here is the problem, each player freely chose to sign a contract with said team at some point before their trade request. This means they are contractually obligated as an employee of that team. If the Lakers wanted to sign LeBron, pay him $500 billion and them make him a 12th man, they can do that. If they want to Trey Burke to a minimum contract for 5 years, and he freely agrees to it, and after year 1 he is Jordan, Trey is screwed unless the team is willing to take whatever steps necessary. That mutually signed contract says so. Here is the disconnect. Signing a contract DOESN'T make you a partner, it makes you an employee.

Dre's whole bigger argument about respect is bull****, I'm sorry. Players will tout up and down how they are the league they are needed, and it is all about them, but it isn't. The players need the owners money. In order for this to work you need BOTH sides.

Players don't like it, they should go try starting and running their own league. Given that he has no respect for the business side of the coin (and being business savvy is JUST as important in running the league as any basketball skill).

And I know this post makes it sound like I am supporting the billionaires over the millionaires (a favorite quote of Chris Canty, Bart Scott, and seemingly most players) but it's not. This is simply a reaction to a player snowballing (bad choice of words) a situation and manipulating it to fit some agenda he wants to push. How does he know this wasn't a mutual decision between Drummond and the Cavs, just like it was mutual between Blake and the Pistons to do the exact same thing, which is actually beneficial to the player also.

joec32033 wrote:I gotta be honest, I feel a certain way about what Draymon said. We are in an age where players are pampered to the point of thinking they run things and they will bitch about anything now. Dre talking about respect because Drummond is sitting? Did the Cavs stop paying him? Are they docking any benefits promised in his contract? One could argue that sitting him IS respectful so he doesn't get injured and maybe a team that needs a bump for the playoffs will trade for him. Is it respectful to tell him to play on a go nowhere team that he will not benefit in anyway from playing, and risk his health by doing so?

He talked about players being villified for asking for a trade, yet the owners can trade you at the drop of a hat. Ok, Dre, next time negotiate a no trade clause in your contract, because the process of trading players is negotiated into your collective bargaining agreement that your union negotiated and your union brothers voted to pass. And the reason players are vilified for asking for a trade is how they act afterwards. There are certain players who do it right, and certain players who are James Harden.

Here is the problem, each player freely chose to sign a contract with said team at some point before their trade request. This means they are contractually obligated as an employee of that team. If the Lakers wanted to sign LeBron, pay him $500 billion and them make him a 12th man, they can do that. If they want to Trey Burke to a minimum contract for 5 years, and he freely agrees to it, and after year 1 he is Jordan, Trey is screwed unless the team is willing to take whatever steps necessary. That mutually signed contract says so. Here is the disconnect. Signing a contract DOESN'T make you a partner, it makes you an employee.

Dre's whole bigger argument about respect is bull****, I'm sorry. Players will tout up and down how they are the league they are needed, and it is all about them, but it isn't. The players need the owners money. In order for this to work you need BOTH sides.

Players don't like it, they should go try starting and running their own league. Given that he has no respect for the business side of the coin (and being business savvy is JUST as important in running the league as any basketball skill).

And I know this post makes it sound like I am supporting the billionaires over the millionaires (a favorite quote of Chris Canty, Bart Scott, and seemingly most players) but it's not. This is simply a reaction to a player snowballing (bad choice of words) a situation and manipulating it to fit some agenda he wants to push. How does he know this wasn't a mutual decision between Drummond and the Cavs, just like it was mutual between Blake and the Pistons to do the exact same thing, which is actually beneficial to the player also.

joec32033 wrote:I gotta be honest, I feel a certain way about what Draymon said. We are in an age where players are pampered to the point of thinking they run things and they will bitch about anything now. Dre talking about respect because Drummond is sitting? Did the Cavs stop paying him? Are they docking any benefits promised in his contract? One could argue that sitting him IS respectful so he doesn't get injured and maybe a team that needs a bump for the playoffs will trade for him. Is it respectful to tell him to play on a go nowhere team that he will not benefit in anyway from playing, and risk his health by doing so?

He talked about players being villified for asking for a trade, yet the owners can trade you at the drop of a hat. Ok, Dre, next time negotiate a no trade clause in your contract, because the process of trading players is negotiated into your collective bargaining agreement that your union negotiated and your union brothers voted to pass. And the reason players are vilified for asking for a trade is how they act afterwards. There are certain players who do it right, and certain players who are James Harden.

Here is the problem, each player freely chose to sign a contract with said team at some point before their trade request. This means they are contractually obligated as an employee of that team. If the Lakers wanted to sign LeBron, pay him $500 billion and them make him a 12th man, they can do that. If they want to Trey Burke to a minimum contract for 5 years, and he freely agrees to it, and after year 1 he is Jordan, Trey is screwed unless the team is willing to take whatever steps necessary. That mutually signed contract says so. Here is the disconnect. Signing a contract DOESN'T make you a partner, it makes you an employee.

Dre's whole bigger argument about respect is bull****, I'm sorry. Players will tout up and down how they are the league they are needed, and it is all about them, but it isn't. The players need the owners money. In order for this to work you need BOTH sides.

Players don't like it, they should go try starting and running their own league. Given that he has no respect for the business side of the coin (and being business savvy is JUST as important in running the league as any basketball skill).

And I know this post makes it sound like I am supporting the billionaires over the millionaires (a favorite quote of Chris Canty, Bart Scott, and seemingly most players) but it's not. This is simply a reaction to a player snowballing (bad choice of words) a situation and manipulating it to fit some agenda he wants to push. How does he know this wasn't a mutual decision between Drummond and the Cavs, just like it was mutual between Blake and the Pistons to do the exact same thing, which is actually beneficial to the player also.

Spot on in the analysis. Somewhere, Joakim Noah nods his head and collects another check.

knicks1248 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I gotta be honest, I feel a certain way about what Draymon said. We are in an age where players are pampered to the point of thinking they run things and they will bitch about anything now. Dre talking about respect because Drummond is sitting? Did the Cavs stop paying him? Are they docking any benefits promised in his contract? One could argue that sitting him IS respectful so he doesn't get injured and maybe a team that needs a bump for the playoffs will trade for him. Is it respectful to tell him to play on a go nowhere team that he will not benefit in anyway from playing, and risk his health by doing so?

He talked about players being villified for asking for a trade, yet the owners can trade you at the drop of a hat. Ok, Dre, next time negotiate a no trade clause in your contract, because the process of trading players is negotiated into your collective bargaining agreement that your union negotiated and your union brothers voted to pass. And the reason players are vilified for asking for a trade is how they act afterwards. There are certain players who do it right, and certain players who are James Harden.

Here is the problem, each player freely chose to sign a contract with said team at some point before their trade request. This means they are contractually obligated as an employee of that team. If the Lakers wanted to sign LeBron, pay him $500 billion and them make him a 12th man, they can do that. If they want to Trey Burke to a minimum contract for 5 years, and he freely agrees to it, and after year 1 he is Jordan, Trey is screwed unless the team is willing to take whatever steps necessary. That mutually signed contract says so. Here is the disconnect. Signing a contract DOESN'T make you a partner, it makes you an employee.

Dre's whole bigger argument about respect is bull****, I'm sorry. Players will tout up and down how they are the league they are needed, and it is all about them, but it isn't. The players need the owners money. In order for this to work you need BOTH sides.

Players don't like it, they should go try starting and running their own league. Given that he has no respect for the business side of the coin (and being business savvy is JUST as important in running the league as any basketball skill).

And I know this post makes it sound like I am supporting the billionaires over the millionaires (a favorite quote of Chris Canty, Bart Scott, and seemingly most players) but it's not. This is simply a reaction to a player snowballing (bad choice of words) a situation and manipulating it to fit some agenda he wants to push. How does he know this wasn't a mutual decision between Drummond and the Cavs, just like it was mutual between Blake and the Pistons to do the exact same thing, which is actually beneficial to the player also.

You make some solid points, but Even though Harden ask for a trade he still played and played well for the first wk or 2, did they even cared if he got hurt in the process.

The reason no one is blowing up the phone for drummond is because the center position is just not that important as it used to be. The trade deadLINE IS ALMOST 6 WKS AWAY, and your going to sit a player for that long. I could understand if it was a couple of wks away, but a month and half is insane. What is he supposed to ride a stationary bike to stay in shape.

It just gives players more incentive to add a NTC, and im betting the owners don't want that

Your first point is literally addressed at the end of my first paragraph about sitting a player so he doesn't get injured.

The trade deadline being 6 weeks away....in my experience when you start sitting a player you have intentions to move him soon. And once again (as I addressed it in my other post) unless he has playing time stipulations in his contract, the team has every right to play him 48 minutes per game or sit him. Drummond would have to be professional and stay in shape as best he can.

I don't understand any other point of view. Blake Griffin literally volunteered (mutual agreement) to sit until he is traded! I do not understand how this is such a travesty when it seriously is in the best interest of the player! It protects them from injury, saves miles on their body, they are still getting 100% of their contractual benefits.

Do you not remember a few years ago when the Knicks were going to trade Shumpert for Darren Collison on the Clippers. Deal was all but certain, and in the game the Knicks chose not to sit him, and Shump blows out his mcl.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/24/5444076/iman-shumpert-trade-knicks-clippers-thunder

How the Knicks almost traded Iman Shumpert to OKC, Clippers
The New York Knicks could have gotten a first-round pick from Oklahoma City in return for Iman Shumpert, but that wasn't enough to get a deal done.

By James Herbert on February 24, 2014 7:02 pm

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New York Knicks swingman Iman Shumpert would be in an Oklahoma City Thunder uniform by now if the Knicks were prepared to accept an offer of Oklahoma City's 2014 first-round pick, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard:

Even after Shumpert suffered a strained left MCL in a Knicks loss last Wednesday, Oklahoma City was willing to part with this season's first-round draft pick to land the Knicks shooting guard, according to sources with knowledge of the trade discussions. The Knicks, however, refused to do the deal because they weren't getting a current player in return who could help them make a push for this season's Eastern Conference playoffs. At the end of the day, they deemed Shumpert more valuable than the 28th pick (or whatever low pick OKC gets) of the draft, sources said.

Grantland's Zach Lowe confirmed that the offer was made. According to Broussard, New York's main goal in any Shumpert deal was to move Raymond Felton and get another point guard in return. This is why the rumored deal for Los Angeles Clippers guard Darren Collison almost took place, but the Clippers apparently backed away after Shumpert sprained his MCL last Wednesday, according to Broussard:

While Shumpert's injury did not deter the Thunder, it did kill the Knicks' hopes of sending him to Los Angeles. Clippers coach Doc Rivers really wanted Shumpert, sources say, and Rivers was willing to do a deal that would have sent Darren Collison, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens and two second-round picks to New York for Shumpert, Felton and Beno Udrih. But Clippers owner Donald Sterling and others within the organization were hesitant to bet on Shumpert after seeing him go down in Wednesday's game at New Orleans, according to sources.
Shumpert, who is averaging 6.9 points, 4.5 rebounds and 1.8 assists on the season, will have to finish what has been a disappointing year in New York. Still one of the Knicks' most valuable assets given his two-way ability, the 23-year-old's name will surely surface in more trade rumors at the end of the season.

This is why you sit players you are gonna trade.