newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:jskinny35 wrote:Not advocating in any way as I think Lavine, Booker and other younger shooting guards would be the way to go... but it seems like Beal and Oladipo are possible targets (eg Berman) as we approach the deadline. I'm curious what others think is Beal's value and what we should realistically give up for him (provided we do end of trading for him)? To me, he's not worth that much as he's already 27, a little smallish and is already limited by minutes due to injury/knee history. Get that he's a great outside shooter but when I hear people saying Harden like value (3 or 4 1st round picks) - that seems crazy to me.
If we are trading for Beal - I'd say Randle, Frank, Knox, Payton and 2 1st rd picks (1 Dallas) for Beal and Ish Smith would be my limit. (They may laugh but that's as far as I would go if we are certain to trade for Beal)
So question: Is it not a sideways deal that doesn't really get you better when you trade your best player AND picks and other assets?
What is this deal really getting you? Beal is regarded as better than Julius but is older, cost more.
Trading for Beal mostly makes sense if the goal is to form a big 3 with Beal, RJ & Randle.
Odds are Quickley would have to be moved if that was the case though. Paired with all the picks from this draft, and Mitch as they would feel he is a piece they could flip again by the offseason while he fills the void for Bryant.
If Knicks do pull the trigger on a deal like that. Bledsoe is also available from the Pelicans and would probably be worth targeting.
I agree dealing Beal for Randle is a sideways deal. As is dealing him for for a ridiculous package of young guys and picks. To me, RJ, Randle (unless it is for a markedly better frontcourt player), Quickley, and possibly even Mitch should be off limits.
I think trading for upper echelon stars, unless they force their way here to the Knicks benefit should be avoided. Now, trading for younger guys with room for growth who have an established floor that fill holes (Buddy Heild, Gary Trent, Mikal Bridges, Wil Barton, Porter, Gary Harris, Lonnie Walker, Malik Beasley-depending on his criminal stuff) should be guys we are willing to pay for.
Vets like Reddick, should be got by either buyout market or by top 45 protected 2nd rounders.
Full disclosure, I would trade Randle for an established young building block who I view as more stable then him. I still have my doubts on how sustainable his play is after he signs a big contract.
