unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

This is my thought.

unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

A 3 & D player may help us secure the 8th seed....We need an all-star level wing player that can elevate us into the upper tier in the East (and of course a better pg). When the season began, I hoped we had a shot at solving this issue by having a legit shot at drafting Cade Cunningham or Jonathan Kuminga. Looking like that wont be the case so we may have to explore trades and or free agency....

Truth is, Mitch is busting his behind off on defense. Sometimes it’s a real sight to behold. He needs to get more touches even if they are simply lobs. He isn’t getting that many putbacks because he is guarding three different players in a single defensive play. And when they throw him the ball, he scores more often than not. I think there are many empty plays we keep repeating that could be instead mixed with more plays to get Mitch some touches. I agree that needs to happen.

But yeah, this team will go into a new level whenever that 3 spot becomes a consistent scoring threat. We need that. Bullock has been fine most of the nights, but he is at the same level as Payton, a very nice backup that gets exposed when given lots of minutes. And to be fair, Payton has overachieved sometimes. But both PG and SG need to be recast in order to win the way we want.

foosballnick wrote:I agree with Briggs. Having a 5 who has a little more offensive prowess or at least a few goto moves in the post is needed.

We would never ever ever get past Miami with them having Bam at C and the Knicks having Mitch. While the games were very close--Miami still not close to as good as they can play like last year. Bam scores 20 mitch scores 6-8

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

A 3 & D player may help us secure the 8th seed....We need an all-star level wing player that can elevate us into the upper tier in the East (and of course a better pg). When the season began, I hoped we had a shot at solving this issue by having a legit shot at drafting Cade Cunningham or Jonathan Kuminga. Looking like that wont be the case so we may have to explore trades and or free agency....

Danny GReen is a free agent this summer and a better version of Bullock essentially. Then start Quickley and use Rose and Burks as 6th and 7th man.

Is that really the case though?

He used to be much better. Over the last 3 seasons he has been playing with multiple all stars whose gravity to attract defense is immense and yet has similar'ish stat lines than does Bullock and Burks this year. He makes $15M this year and will probably seek another playoff contender if he could. Plus he will be 34 and likely on the precipice of loosing his legs.

How is his defense these days?

If the Knicks bring back Bullock or Burks, it would mean the Knicks would have more continuity. I get the feel that Bullock would resign with the Knicks if the contract was right just because of family.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

A 3 & D player may help us secure the 8th seed....We need an all-star level wing player that can elevate us into the upper tier in the East (and of course a better pg). When the season began, I hoped we had a shot at solving this issue by having a legit shot at drafting Cade Cunningham or Jonathan Kuminga. Looking like that wont be the case so we may have to explore trades and or free agency....

Danny GReen is a free agent this summer and a better version of Bullock essentially. Then start Quickley and use Rose and Burks as 6th and 7th man.

Is that really the case though?

He used to be much better. Over the last 3 seasons he has been playing with multiple all stars whose gravity to attract defense is immense and yet has similar'ish stat lines than does Bullock and Burks this year. He makes $15M this year and will probably seek another playoff contender if he could. Plus he will be 34 and likely on the precipice of loosing his legs.

How is his defense these days?

If the Knicks bring back Bullock or Burks, it would mean the Knicks would have more continuity. I get the feel that Bullock would resign with the Knicks if the contract was right just because of family.

True, i'm not sure how big of an upgrade Green is over Bullock. At the very least it's slight. Green is definitely a better shooter, and the defense may be pretty close. But the continuity may offset that as well. There's a good chance given the players we have playing well, we may not make any major changes this summer other than add a few rookies. Kispert essentially replacing Payton in the rotation makes the difference as Rose/Quickley is the PG upgrade we need and Kispert brings a pure shooter on the wing we lack. For what it's worth Kispert a halfway decent team defender as well. Not a liability in the least on that end.

C Robinson/ Noel
PF Randle/ Toppin
SF Bullock/ Kispert
SG Barrett/ Burks
PG Quickley/ Rose

Knixkik wrote:C Robinson/ Noel
PF Randle/ Toppin
SF Bullock/ Kispert
SG Barrett/ Burks
PG Cade / Quickley/ Rose

Work with me

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch needs to figure out his offense and shot and that's purely on him. I'm guessing he didn't work out with a trainer specifically for that; FO/Thibs told us as much.

Knicks also have **** for PGs and wings who know how to find guys at the rim or even run an average effective PnR. We were all SHOCKED when Rose was able to find Obi on his one PnR dunk?

Knicks wings also need to recognize more clearly what type of passes Nerlens can catch, we are like 25 games in and they haven't.

Knicks defense is rockin and hopefully stays stout throughout the year with Mitch and Nerlens anchoring as best they can. Next year those guys get to be incorporated into the O

Some how I feel the coaching staff maybe Holding Mitch back from expanding his game just base on Mitch's deleted tweet, and thibs comment about "we haven't seen nothing yet"

How can he be draining jump shots in an empty gym on IG, and then not even attempt a single shot in a real game

You mean that whack ass high school 3point shots against 5'8" dudes he was doing at the Y or local church gym? You think that translates to the NBA?

Mitch has a hard time hitting his FT's at a decent clip and you expect him to be able to do.... what?

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

A 3 & D player may help us secure the 8th seed....We need an all-star level wing player that can elevate us into the upper tier in the East (and of course a better pg). When the season began, I hoped we had a shot at solving this issue by having a legit shot at drafting Cade Cunningham or Jonathan Kuminga. Looking like that wont be the case so we may have to explore trades and or free agency....

Danny GReen is a free agent this summer and a better version of Bullock essentially. Then start Quickley and use Rose and Burks as 6th and 7th man.

Is that really the case though?

He used to be much better. Over the last 3 seasons he has been playing with multiple all stars whose gravity to attract defense is immense and yet has similar'ish stat lines than does Bullock and Burks this year. He makes $15M this year and will probably seek another playoff contender if he could. Plus he will be 34 and likely on the precipice of loosing his legs.

How is his defense these days?

If the Knicks bring back Bullock or Burks, it would mean the Knicks would have more continuity. I get the feel that Bullock would resign with the Knicks if the contract was right just because of family.

True, i'm not sure how big of an upgrade Green is over Bullock. At the very least it's slight. Green is definitely a better shooter, and the defense may be pretty close. But the continuity may offset that as well. There's a good chance given the players we have playing well, we may not make any major changes this summer other than add a few rookies. Kispert essentially replacing Payton in the rotation makes the difference as Rose/Quickley is the PG upgrade we need and Kispert brings a pure shooter on the wing we lack. For what it's worth Kispert a halfway decent team defender as well. Not a liability in the least on that end.

C Robinson/ Noel
PF Randle/ Toppin
SF Bullock/ Kispert
SG Barrett/ Burks
PG Quickley/ Rose

Draft aside, how about Evan Fournier ORL or Norman Powell TOR? I don't really watch either of them so don't know them

Fournier and Powell are both solid options, but not sure if either is a real upgrade over Bullock or Burks. Neither plays much D, but they are basically similar to Burks, with the possibility of being very slight upgrades.