knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Knicks are one of the better defensive teams out there so let's trade one of the anchors of said defense?Is this the premise?
Knicks have a ****ty offense cause they have a ****ty starting PG and no consistent distance shooting, so let's focus in on the 2 C's?
. Yeah it makes zero sense 😂
Yup. Our Center position is settled and fortified. Why destroy that?
Exactly. But the OP has never been a Mitch fan and wanted him traded for a while. That’s fine but just be honest about it instead of making a ludicrous reason for it
I suggested a mitch trade to GSW because they wanted a Center(drafted wiseman anyway) to move up in the draft for Lamelo, and once again your making sht up (i dont like mitch..smh), the title of the thread is one needs to be traded, I didn't specify which one, they are both decent players who do the exact same thing.
Why are you not saying I don't like Noel?
I don't have a problem with either one of them, i have a problem with having no big man on the roster that can knock down perimeter shots because teams are shutting us down with the zone, and it aint just because peyton can't shoot (at least he tries).
90% of all Big men in the league can knock down jumpers, this is a face up league
Lakers just won with centers who can't shoot. Bam isn't really a long-range shooter and he is the rage of the league. I'm not sure about your statement that 90% of the big men (at least the centers) in the league can shoot. Now, if you want to talk about our wings and guards, then yeah...I can see. I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. We have a roster where we don't have shooting at any of the traditional positions where you'd expect it. In a perfect world, Mitch's threat on the backend would create plenty of space because Payton posed some kind of threat from outside. Defenses wouldn't be able to sag and defenders would be forced to make split second decisions against the Knicks in the mid-range, leading to more defensive breakdowns.
The role the lakes centers have is the role our center need to have..OF THE BENCH..The have a big who can shoot from the perimeter (Game winning 3's in the finals)
We scored 94 points tonight, and Gobert almost double the amount of Rebounds (19) our 2 centers had combine (11)
How the Hell your going to get out and push the ball when your not going to dominate the boards, especially with no shooters to bust the zone that every single team plays against us.
I know we need a PG, but our biggest weakness is the Bigs on the team who are not versatile enough.
up next is Drummond
The backcourt didnt deliver either. Im guessing most here agree with you that we need more offense from the frontcourt.
Some of us disagree with your solution. Good playoff teams, contenders, have a deep bench. Trading Mitch or Noel would defeat that purpose. You want Drummond, or another high scoring big in free agency? Fine.
It will be easier attracting players interested in more than a big payday. If they know they wont be doing all the work under the boards. We want to build on the frontcourt we have, not thin it out.
It's taken 2+ seasons for Mitch just to learn how to stop making silly fouls, not much of a quick learner, probably why his gone through a half a dozen agents in 2 yrs
It's a Mediocre Front court at best, Noel is at his ceiling on a 1 yr deal, and Mitch is also a potential FA that might even want to move on to a New team.
These 2 guys Knicks Future is definitely not a lock, and neither of them are playing at a High Level.
Its mediocre in part because our backcourt isnt solidified yet. Last night Noel played 17 min. Had 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 2 blocks. We need role players who fill the stat sheet this way. We could get more offense out of Mitch and Noel with better PG play. Toppin will play better as well.
You want to trade players because they dont check every box. But you want Rose who only checks one "Ballhog". Mitch shows major progress in keeping out of foul trouble, and instead of seeing that as a positive, (especially with no college experience) you manage to diss him.
As I said trading away most of our frontcourt and starting again from scratch is going to keep this team in the lotto even longer. We could overpay for Drummond, and with Mitch and Noel gone, our frontcourt D would likely suck. You point out the flaws in their games, while completely ignoring what they bring to the table.
You want scoring frontcourts which are soft on defense. Like Greg Monroe. We need a frontcourt that can score, and make stops. Why we need to keep Noel and Mitch, add another scoring big, and upgrade the PG position. Not start from scratch, unless you like perpetual lotto.
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