fwk00 wrote:Will Barton would be on my radar. Simple upgrade. Save Denver some cash. Payton, Harper, Tomic, 2nd rounder -> Barton

Is Barton actually an upgrade over Burks?

Knixkik wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Will Barton would be on my radar. Simple upgrade. Save Denver some cash. Payton, Harper, Tomic, 2nd rounder -> Barton

Is Barton actually an upgrade over Burks?

MS wrote:Conley isn’t a very good anymore.

Better off overpaying Lowry or Dragic on a one year deal.

Or we could have just drafted Halliburton and not worried about pg for 10 years.

Conley is having a good year. Was good in the bubble last year. He isn’t an ideal fit next to Mitchell but is still really good. I agree though Lowry and dragic would be fine too but seem less gettable. Haliburton is excelling in a low pressure situation off the bench in Sacramento. He’s been good but we have no idea if he’s better than Toppin or even quickley at this point.

HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

I agree.

HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

TPercy wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

You can say we need this and we need that but why are we talking Conley? How do we get him? What do we give up? This is all fantasy talk and its not gonna happen. And lets say it did. Who exactly will Conley be passing the ball to? Are biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting. Imo, Quick is showing that he may be a solid PG. Payton is what he is suppose to be. Solid low level option that we needed. Until we have several other solid pieces, getting guys like Conley who is towards the end of his career does not make any sense.

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

You can say we need this and we need that but why are we talking Conley? How do we get him? What do we give up? This is all fantasy talk and its not gonna happen. And lets say it did. Who exactly will Conley be passing the ball to? Are biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting. Imo, Quick is showing that he may be a solid PG. Payton is what he is suppose to be. Solid low level option that we needed. Until we have several other solid pieces, getting guys like Conley who is towards the end of his career does not make any sense.

Why are we acting like Conley isn’t a feasible target? He’s an FA this coming summer. We have significant cap space so we can afford him. It comes down to whether or not he’d sign here but we’d be able to give him $$ and a chance to help a rebuilding team. Also, almost every team has a competent lead guard but us so the market might be small for him idk but he’s definitely attainable.

You say our biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting and Conley has been shooting around 36-37+ for the past 3 seasons and is averaging well over 40%+ this season. He’d be the best 3pt shooter we’ve had in years at the PG spot. Think about that.

More importantly, he is a significant upgrade over every single PG on this roster.I like quicks a lot but is he a lead PG? I’m not sure about that. As I said before, the pg position is critical for the team success whether it’s team development or adding wins so if this opportunity presents itself in a Mike Conley or Kyle Lowry(preferably on a short term deal), then pay up.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:What are you willing to give up contract wise?

2 years 70 mil? I’ll overpay if it’s a shorter term contract. Money isn’t a factor with the Knicks because they won’t be getting an elite guy to come for less than market value.

Im in for a veteran PG, but not for that much. Better use of cap space would be a deeper bench, and a good stopgap PG. We also need another big off the bench.

MS wrote:How is Halliburton excelling in a low pressure situation? There are no fans and the Knicks have no expectations.

He’s averaging 12.7pts 5.7ass on 54% from the field, 52% from three and only 1.7tos, which is at
The top of the league for assist to turnover. Halliburton has the 39th best PER in the nba right now.

Obi needs to be special to justify passing on him, meaning 20pts or be a guy piece in a trade to get us a star.

In case you forgot we drafted a PG named Quickley and he’s playing very well. If the Knicks draft Halliburton over obi they likely don’t draft IQ. Move on.