We have no Bigs that can shoot 3's other than OBI and Randle( and they're not that good), the Scouting report on the knicks is to live and die with the zone defense.

Signing Taj was cool for locker room purposes, but unless he's able to stretch the defense, how is he different from Mitch and Noel? all of our centers play a similar style, there's no change of pace when you sub them

fitzfarm wrote:Payton, I’ve never seen a player miss more point blank layups in my life

It's terrible.

Knixkik wrote:Randle has become the playmaker in the lineup and has been doing it well. Having a bunch of non shooters around him doesn’t make it easy. Remove Payton and he has more space to operate. Barrett will also see a rise in scoring efficiency as he continues to get severely impacted by a poor fitting supporting cast.

I wouldn't say Randle's has been doing that great a job. He is still averaging more than 4 turnovers a game. But I agree, he's been our most consistent alternative to date and Rivers might look better in the starting lineup. I think a healthy Burks changes things a bit too. As for RJ, he's missing the wide open threes. You can't blame that on lack of spacing. He's in a funk and maybe a demotion to a sixth-man role, at least for the short-term, might be what's needed.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle has become the playmaker in the lineup and has been doing it well. Having a bunch of non shooters around him doesn’t make it easy. Remove Payton and he has more space to operate. Barrett will also see a rise in scoring efficiency as he continues to get severely impacted by a poor fitting supporting cast.

I wouldn't say Randle's has been doing that great a job. He is still averaging more than 4 turnovers a game. But I agree, he's been our most consistent alternative to date and Rivers might look better in the starting lineup. I think a healthy Burks changes things a bit too. As for RJ, he's missing the wide open threes. You can't blame that on lack of spacing. He's in a funk and maybe a demotion to a sixth-man role, at least for the short-term, might be what's needed.

Barrett is missing threes but he's not a shooter. He needs to have proper spacing around him or he's not being used the best way. Telling him to be a spot up shooter when he's not that isn't his fault. He's a slasher that thrives on open space and ball movement. With Payton the ball sticks and obviously anyone guarding him can just cheat. I'm not going to put that on Barrett.

That's the problem. If Barret doesn't even posee the tiniest threat of an outside shot to defenses, then he really doesn't project as a starting level player on a good team. He needs to at least get to a Jimmy Butler level of 33% from three. He's not the athlete DeMar DeRozan is and I'm not sure he can thrive purely in the mid-range. Randle is our best player and RJ, for better or worse, needs to find a way to be effective with him. Every player could use the "proper spacing." What seperates the stars is that they're capable of producing big numbers with at least average efficiency regardless. What separates the "superstars" is that they can still produces big numbers with above average efficiently regardless. It's way to early to call RJ a bust, but it's also way too early to proclaim that Knicks need to build a team that fits RJ before we've even figured out if he's worth it.

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knicks1248 wrote:Unfortunately it's not just peyton, it's Mitch too. The last 2 games the spacing and pace has look like last yr. Even when Randle pushes the pace, 3 guys are slightly behind him, and one guy is beside him. Yesterday I saw A lot of hesitation from all of our guards, turning down perimeter shots, dribbling into traffic.

We have no Bigs that can shoot 3's other than OBI and Randle( and they're not that good), the Scouting report on the knicks is to live and die with the zone defense.

Signing Taj was cool for locker room purposes, but unless he's able to stretch the defense, how is he different from Mitch and Noel? all of our centers play a similar style, there's no change of pace when you sub them

But with Mitch there has to be a body close to him at all times. You leave him and Randle can find him for a quick oop or even without the ball he's a offensive rebounding threat. Barrett is also a threat as a cutter and finisher. Payton is not a threat without the ball in his hands whatsoever and that's the issue. When Obi comes back he will provide some spacing too. The big man rotation will be Randle Mitch and Obi.

The primary reason you play zone is the stop dribble penetration and kill the PnR. You will never see a team play zone against a good 3 point shooting team.

The 2 ways you get a team out of playing zone is to shoot respectable from downtown, and play fast.

Payton, Mitch and Randle is JUST not a Trio THAT you can have out there for an extended amount of time if your facing a zone defense..PERIOD

But we signed Taj Gibson.

franco12 wrote:Emmanual Mudiay is still available? Shot .345 from 3.

But we signed Taj Gibson.

He also shot .329 and .318 and .316 and .319 from 3 and is such a ****ty PG no other team wants him but have at it

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:Emmanual Mudiay is still available? Shot .345 from 3.

But we signed Taj Gibson.

He also shot .329 and .318 and .316 and .319 from 3 and is such a ****ty PG no other team wants him but have at it

.316 would get teams out of the zone.

I don’t understand why no team has signed him. Is he really ****tier than Payton?