I’m looking at this schedule and that plus this dysfunctional organization’s insistence on starting Elfrid Payton every game I don’t see how this isn’t a 1-11 team after 12 games.

Does this finally force Thibs to bench Elf and Randle and actually play the kids?

good thing we play the cavaliers!

Why would we bench Randle? And Payton sadly is our best pg at this point. Has nothing to do with Thibs, this is now Leon Rose's problems. He is the one who went into the off season knowing PG was our biggest area of weakness and doing nearly nothing to address it.

In fact, bringing back payton is almost worse than doing nothing!

Why would we bench Randle? Randle not the issue right now plus Toppin is going to be out for a little bit anyway. Also I think their plan with Randle is similar to what we did with Marcus Morris by getting some assets at the deadline

newyorknewyork wrote:Randle played close to a perfect half and a great game last game. He made good decisions with the ball for the most part.

Absolutely. I’ve been very happy with Randle. Even if he isn’t in future plans he will be a attractive trade piece at the deadline

Different players....different season.....different management.....same old knicks. I dont know what they have in that locker room at the garden. But they need to fix this 2nd half issues.maybe take is easy the 1st half. 2nd half go all out. But we gotta do something different.

Cavs have Love now. I would not count on a victory.
When you look at any predictions that have us losing TWICE as much as winning and you think its media hate, then watch the games what are some of you missing?

The issue with the Knicks is talent.
They simply do not have the talent needed to be a playoff level or competitive team.

When they last were competitive, they had someone like Porzingis as a 23 points a night all-star.
When they were a playoff team last, Melo was in his prime giving the team near superstar production at 27+ points a night.

They can change all the coaching staffs they want, but they need a star player they can build the team around. In the meanwhile just have to wait for the pieces of that puzzle to fall in place. And when they do, better hope it is a star that has prime (peak) years ahead of him.

Thibs may help some, hurt some. The young talent is decent, but none of them are going to be superstars. So you have to wait until CAA make a move for a star player that is capable to lead a team. It does hurt that despite having so many lottery drafts, and opportunities to trade star players like Melo, Porzingis, the Knicks never seem to luck into a young all-star level draft pick that can lead the team.

I dont even care about the record and do hope to see progress with zero wins. Is it the record we care about or progress?

Randle is better
Mitch has not progressed but his picks are a little better
It's awful we don't see Obi and Quickley and Rivers
Knox seems more locked in and feel like he needs to stop hyperventilating and let the game come to him; seems like he is in hyper video game mode and he is better, can't tell how much.
DSJr is a shell of a shell of his former athletic self, he is done unless we just aren't seeing something
Burks looks good
Noel man, get a 10-15 foot jump shot and just let it go when no one is around you
Barrett can't get by a player and probably still needs a PG to help him out but he'll be fine
WTF Frank, you can't beat out DJ and Elfrid?
I am loving the coaching staff and how Thibbs is operating. Up 10-7 and kind of on a roll early in the game and he furiously calls a time out cause guys didn't hustle back on D and let Ben Simmons get a dunk. LOVED IT

What have you'all see in the defense? Anything better? I can't tell but it seems better. That's progress.

Rome wasn't built in a day and it's harder without competent PGs, coaching staff knows this so what are they focused on?

To hell with the record at this point.

This roster has got to be cleaned up. The brotherhood of mediocre turds has to be shown the door.

DSJ is the waste of a roster spot.

Kadeem Allen Frank Mason, E.Mudiay can't be worse

Waive/trade Payton - Kyle O'Quinn would be a great deep bench Center option or Caleb Swanigan

2 games.

Burks and Randle are playing well IMHO and all without a competent PG.

technomaster wrote:The good Payton has shown up for the past 2 games. Hopefully he can keep it going. When he drives he’s very effective.

I would say 1.5 games. He wasn't very good in the first half of the Cleveland game.