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fishmike
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12/17/2020  1:52 PM
For starters DSjr is defending on every play and came out after lanching that bad 3 last night (RJ replaced him and Quickley moved to PG)

Knox is defending on every possession

RJ is getting more touches and looks like a young Jimmy Butler at SG. He's also taken his defense to another level.

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12/17/2020  2:18 PM
Absolutely. Thibs is a top level coach with a focus on effort and defense. Some say he will "burn out" the players. Guess I'm old school. With a young hungry team it may be the perfect place. Although when the first 7 game losing streak comes and the disingenuous media and bipolar fans call for his head we'll see how he does.

My hope is at least a few of our younguns learn some good habits and actually develop.

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12/17/2020  3:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2020  3:57 PM
I am not expecting much this year. All I will say is that I am excited for the future for the first time in a long time. It looked pretty good with KP but anything sustained or meaningful always felt pretty far away. The last playoff year was a bunch of guys on one years so nothing was really guaranteed. I feel pretty good about the trend right now and that is all coaching staff because it's growth from young players
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12/17/2020  4:16 PM
fishmike wrote:For starters DSjr is defending on every play and came out after lanching that bad 3 last night (RJ replaced him and Quickley moved to PG)

Knox is defending on every possession

RJ is getting more touches and looks like a young Jimmy Butler at SG. He's also taken his defense to another level.

I thought no one liked Thibs? I was bitchin about him being passed over for PJ. Lol

I totally agree with you. You can tell that he has somehow communicated to his team that defense is Number 1. Also liked when he took Smith out. That would have been a good possession for him to show good Bball IQ and drive strong to the basket. I was also hoping he would take out Randle when he went 1 on 3 during the the Cavs run. Was not sure if he did or not. Think Thibs will do a good job. How the players do is another story. As much as some think we suck. I like the idea of Rivers, Burks and Noel. Although I do not know if it is more than we had last year.

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12/17/2020  4:24 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I am not expecting much this year. All I will say is that I am excited for the future for the first time in a long time. It looked pretty good with KP but anything sustained or meaningful always felt pretty far away. The last playoff year was a bunch of guys on one years so nothing was really guaranteed. I feel pretty good about the trend right now and that is all coaching staff because it's growth from young players
Its hard to have perspective following such a dysfunctional franchise. I expect a lot. When MDA came in here he dumped Marbury, brought in Duhon and while the team wasnt good you saw what he wanted to do. I think we are already seeing that with Thibs. We will see when the reg season starts but we have an army of developmental coaches and not a ton of talent in front of the youth... so asking for a team this young that plays hard on defense every night and runs a system is a high expectation and I think we get that. I think we will see an inflated win total as well. Nothing crazy but we'll beat our vegas odds by a bunch.

I think RJ is a stud. An elite slasher with court vision. IF he's an average shooter I really think he's a Jimmy Butler caliber player. The rest we will see but I love Toppin and I think of Quickley/Knox/Frank/Smith/Mitch that we get 2 starting caliber guys and maybe a role player. Time will tell. I think thats asking a lot but I also think thats what we brought in Thibs, Leon and this army of player development guys

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12/18/2020  6:27 AM
Agree. This team looks much more energized on D
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12/18/2020  11:28 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:For starters DSjr is defending on every play and came out after lanching that bad 3 last night (RJ replaced him and Quickley moved to PG)

Knox is defending on every possession

RJ is getting more touches and looks like a young Jimmy Butler at SG. He's also taken his defense to another level.

I thought no one liked Thibs? I was bitchin about him being passed over for PJ. Lol

I totally agree with you. You can tell that he has somehow communicated to his team that defense is Number 1. Also liked when he took Smith out. That would have been a good possession for him to show good Bball IQ and drive strong to the basket. I was also hoping he would take out Randle when he went 1 on 3 during the the Cavs run. Was not sure if he did or not. Think Thibs will do a good job. How the players do is another story. As much as some think we suck. I like the idea of Rivers, Burks and Noel. Although I do not know if it is more than we had last year.

I think the thoughts were that some people really liked Mike Miller

Thibs glowing reviews of everyone's conditioning aside, I'm wary with this weird compressed everything that some of these promising yoots are going to get injured early, if Thibs leans on them too hard, too fast.

Waiting for someone to post the first Obi-1 defensive highlight vid.

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12/18/2020  11:37 AM
jrodmc wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:For starters DSjr is defending on every play and came out after lanching that bad 3 last night (RJ replaced him and Quickley moved to PG)

Knox is defending on every possession

RJ is getting more touches and looks like a young Jimmy Butler at SG. He's also taken his defense to another level.

I thought no one liked Thibs? I was bitchin about him being passed over for PJ. Lol

I totally agree with you. You can tell that he has somehow communicated to his team that defense is Number 1. Also liked when he took Smith out. That would have been a good possession for him to show good Bball IQ and drive strong to the basket. I was also hoping he would take out Randle when he went 1 on 3 during the the Cavs run. Was not sure if he did or not. Think Thibs will do a good job. How the players do is another story. As much as some think we suck. I like the idea of Rivers, Burks and Noel. Although I do not know if it is more than we had last year.

I think the thoughts were that some people really liked Mike Miller

Thibs glowing reviews of everyone's conditioning aside, I'm wary with this weird compressed everything that some of these promising yoots are going to get injured early, if Thibs leans on them too hard, too fast.

Waiting for someone to post the first Obi-1 defensive highlight vid.

Quite frankly, this is why I think the Knicks loaded up on redundant players

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12/18/2020  12:02 PM
The Knicks may be young but they are no longer 'yoots'.

This is a very young team whose young players have been around the league and gotten mugged for over a year or two. They aren't green. I think Hahn is right to compare this circumstance to Pitino's Knick squad that looked awful for half a season and then it all clicked in.

I kind of expect that. That was happening already with Miller last year. The roster shakeup and coaching change nullifies that chemistry but Thibs will do the same.

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12/19/2020  11:55 AM
you know who looks a lot more like a player people will starting appreciating? Julius Randle. He looked like an athletic 2 way player last night who was moving the ball and great on both ends
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12/19/2020  12:22 PM
The current knicks coaching staff are working wonders for the team. Atleast in the pre-season we can see a huge difference with what having a top notch coaching staff can potentially do. Even with n the loosing game against the pistons, the knicks were still watchable. They still played hard. This knicks teams is currently ranked in the top 5 defensively on a shortened preseason. I hope they still improve, im curious to see what they can be as a team next year around the trade deadline.
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12/22/2020  8:47 AM
For the first time Since JVG was coaching, I listen to a knick player in yesterday's press conference (peyton) indicate that the knicks Knew every single play the caves were running.

Then i see this quote on ESPN this morning

Lucas says he was amazed at how often Thibodeau could call out the opponent's play before its point guard shouted an instruction or held up a certain number of fingers. "He's one of the greatest advance scouts ever to do it," Lucas says.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30545155/is-new-york-knicks-coach-tom-thibodeau-too-tough-toughest-job-sports
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12/22/2020  10:38 AM
I love Thibs demanding style. Even if he fails to get traction in NYC (**** Marc Berman and his ilk) the NYK will benefit to the degree they absorb the core principles he teaches.

Defense is the difference between playoff teams and imposters. And it's already showing.

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12/22/2020  12:43 PM
knicks1248 wrote:For the first time Since JVG was coaching, I listen to a knick player in yesterday's press conference (peyton) indicate that the knicks Knew every single play the caves were running.

Then i see this quote on ESPN this morning

Lucas says he was amazed at how often Thibodeau could call out the opponent's play before its point guard shouted an instruction or held up a certain number of fingers. "He's one of the greatest advance scouts ever to do it," Lucas says.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30545155/is-new-york-knicks-coach-tom-thibodeau-too-tough-toughest-job-sports

This is a GREAT article that everyone should read. LOVE THIS

IT WAS THE summer of 2000, and to New York Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy, it felt about 104 degrees in the shade. He decided to move summer league workouts from his Westchester base to Fairfield University, home to an air-conditioned gym. He also decided to let assistant Tom Thibodeau run the young Knicks through two practices in one day, never a great idea.

As Van Gundy recalls it, the first practice was scheduled for 10 a.m. to noon, with part two from 4 to 6 p.m. "By the time Thibs left them off in the first practice, it was 3:15," Van Gundy says. "He tells the players, 'Get off your feet. Get some rest. Get something to eat.' I'm like, 'Tom, it's 3:15. They've only got 45 minutes.'"

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12/22/2020  1:44 PM
We liked MIke Miller because we were sour on Fiz........
WE love Frank but IQ is the flavor of the month and its ok for frank to leave as long as we have new players to fill the slots EVEN BETTER!
We want them all to succeed but they don’t. KP left a huge hole that Dennis has not filled.
But in time we hope RJ exceeds that promise and OBI as well.
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12/30/2020  1:30 PM
Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

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12/30/2020  2:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

Are you going to give Perry/Rose any credit too? Not only hiring Thibs but building a young core and having a lot of future assets and flexibility. Knicks are doing the smart things for a change
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12/30/2020  2:54 PM
I'm happily surprised at how Thibs has engaged the media and been fairly straight-forward if not complimentary of guys. Not some gruff scrooge
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knicks1248 wrote:Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

Are you going to give Perry/Rose any credit too? Not only hiring Thibs but building a young core and having a lot of future assets and flexibility. Knicks are doing the smart things for a change

LEON hired most of his friends and X clients, they just happen to be pretty good at their jobs.

Seeing that almost everyone is associated with the Kentucky, don't think Perry had much say in that dept, but I'm still a little pissed we didn't go hard for CP3, we would HAVE BEEN THAT MUCH BETTER.

I STILL think a big trade is coming in the near future.

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12/30/2020  3:50 PM
martin wrote:I'm happily surprised at how Thibs has engaged the media and been fairly straight-forward if not complimentary of guys. Not some gruff scrooge
Ive seen a couple post games and feel the same

Thibs is my guy. Im so glad they brought him in and built this crazy staff around him. Its wild. I never thought I would see something like this. From the UK pipeline and getting Kenny Payne here to the scouts.. all of it. Obviously its early but I never saw this before (here).

I also thought Thibs was much better than advertised in Minn and key players made clear strides under him (especially KAT). He didnt just bring in his guys, players got better under him and that is what I hoped to see here, and what we desperately need.

Obv tons of guys are hurt but the style of play is clear and guys are able to do the things they are good at. So far every player looks better this year than last. We have just seen b2b 30+ minute WINNING games with Mitch as the starter and not in foul trouble. RJ/Elf/Randle are all better on defense. Just playing smarter. Randle is allowed to run his motor but more under control and many of his TOs are coming at end of shot clock desperation moves because we couldnt execute whatever we ran etc.

Bullock is good. He's a poor man's Spree, plays hard every possession.

We literally cant set screens. This will get better.
We will not sustain this 3 point shooting, but we can keep taking good shots.
We got quality depth in the pipeline with IQ and Obi in the queue to come back.
We have 3 low budget and effective guys in Bullock/Burkes/Noel we could package for a FRP at the deadline and cap space made trades work
We have 5 FRPs in the next 3 years including 2 in next year's "generational" draft
We know have a quality prospect at every position with IQ/RJ/Knox/Obi/Mitch and 2 are starting and playing quality BB
We have cap space

Thibs is a throwback and so far the culture change is real. You can see it on the court. You can see it on the sidelines. Its good time to start caring about the team again. Just this guy's opinion. Its not like I have phucking orange and blue tree glowing outside my house or anything

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