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BRIGGS
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12/14/2020  9:28 AM
The offensive fire power took a step back. We simply don’t have the guns. I’m looking at Washington

They have Bradley Beal and Westbrook at the guards position. Not to mention the stacked roster

We have two role players who no one else wanted.

I guess if the off season was a quest to be the worst nba team with no assertive plan — we have accomplished the goal.

I still think e should’ve gone after Woods and Nesmith— and possibly countered with Avidja when he fell. Toppin will be ok but this overall team is sht

RIP Crushalot😞
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Nalod
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12/14/2020  9:55 AM
Washington had Beal, Bertrans and Wall.
Now they had Beal, Bertrand and Westbrook.
Add obi or Dani and they both look good first day.
A healthy wall or Westbrook would have been our best player. They had Beal, even better than both.
Briggs, Why are you suprised?
BRIGGS
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12/14/2020  10:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2020  10:09 AM
Nalod wrote:Washington had Beal, Bertrans and Wall.
Now they had Beal, Bertrand and Westbrook.
Add obi or Dani and they both look good first day.
A healthy wall or Westbrook would have been our best player. They had Beal, even better than both.
Briggs, Why are you suprised?

It’s depressing to c how far behind this team is.

We’ve had free agency for two years

RIP Crushalot😞
Vmart
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12/14/2020  10:41 AM
I don’t understand why everyone harps in free agency. Players do not want to be in the Knicks especially top tier players free agency is out of the question it’s only for lower tier FA players. Trade is another story. Probably the only way to get a top tier player here is by trade only and that means a depleted roster for a possibly aging star player. This current team will have to make their own star player which means hoping RJ and Obi can be those guys.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is continuity to much change from year to year. They don’t build on talent. All you have to do is just look at how they are shoving DSJ down everyone’s throat when last year Frank was building something and coming into his own. Now it’s back to the drawing board for Frank and DAJ gets thrusted to the top because he has earned it.
The starting lineup for the Knicks is suppose to be

Knox
Obi
Robinson
RJ
Frank

Those are our home grown guys. You are not getting top flight free agents just rule that out.

BRIGGS
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12/14/2020  11:04 AM
Vmart wrote:I don’t understand why everyone harps in free agency. Players do not want to be in the Knicks especially top tier players free agency is out of the question it’s only for lower tier FA players. Trade is another story. Probably the only way to get a top tier player here is by trade only and that means a depleted roster for a possibly aging star player. This current team will have to make their own star player which means hoping RJ and Obi can be those guys.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is continuity to much change from year to year. They don’t build on talent. All you have to do is just look at how they are shoving DSJ down everyone’s throat when last year Frank was building something and coming into his own. Now it’s back to the drawing board for Frank and DAJ gets thrusted to the top because he has earned it.
The starting lineup for the Knicks is suppose to be

Knox
Obi
Robinson
RJ
Frank

Those are our home grown guys. You are not getting top flight free agents just rule that out.

The problem with Knox abs frank is they sick every other game — it’s hard to win like that. Barrett a good piece although he can’t shoot. I’m nite if M Robinson is anything other than a 20 minute player.
The line up u put out has no shooting

RIP Crushalot😞
Vmart
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12/14/2020  12:45 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don’t understand why everyone harps in free agency. Players do not want to be in the Knicks especially top tier players free agency is out of the question it’s only for lower tier FA players. Trade is another story. Probably the only way to get a top tier player here is by trade only and that means a depleted roster for a possibly aging star player. This current team will have to make their own star player which means hoping RJ and Obi can be those guys.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is continuity to much change from year to year. They don’t build on talent. All you have to do is just look at how they are shoving DSJ down everyone’s throat when last year Frank was building something and coming into his own. Now it’s back to the drawing board for Frank and DAJ gets thrusted to the top because he has earned it.
The starting lineup for the Knicks is suppose to be

Knox
Obi
Robinson
RJ
Frank

Those are our home grown guys. You are not getting top flight free agents just rule that out.

The problem with Knox abs frank is they sick every other game — it’s hard to win like that. Barrett a good piece although he can’t shoot. I’m nite if M Robinson is anything other than a 20 minute player.
The line up u put out has no shooting

Consistent time will bring consistent results. Problem is these guys don’t get to work together develop comraderie. With management change comes agenda change. Simple as that. When were Knox and Frank ever given the consistent time to thrive and to develop. One bad game and it’s to the bench. I have seen other teams they consistently give their top players the necessary time to develop. Knicks have this backward system where they favor anyone that walks through the door.

knicks1248
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12/14/2020  1:08 PM
Vmart wrote:I don’t understand why everyone harps in free agency. Players do not want to be in the Knicks especially top tier players free agency is out of the question it’s only for lower tier FA players. Trade is another story. Probably the only way to get a top tier player here is by trade only and that means a depleted roster for a possibly aging star player. This current team will have to make their own star player which means hoping RJ and Obi can be those guys.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is continuity to much change from year to year. They don’t build on talent. All you have to do is just look at how they are shoving DSJ down everyone’s throat when last year Frank was building something and coming into his own. Now it’s back to the drawing board for Frank and DAJ gets thrusted to the top because he has earned it.
The starting lineup for the Knicks is suppose to be

Knox
Obi
Robinson
RJ
Frank

Those are our home grown guys. You are not getting top flight free agents just rule that out.

The line up should be that, but we would go 3-69.

Take Obi out of the line up, and those other guys have a 29% win rate, Players like this get coaches fired.

After 9 months off, and 100's of hours of looking at film

I can't believe Knox is still playing out of control

I can't believe Mitch is still making rookie childish fouls

I cant believe frank still can't shoot (3-8 in a combine 40 mins ) one layup

I can't believe DSJ is out of shape confused, and still can't shoot.

Our biggest weakness is shooting and you bring back the same 3 guards (dsj frank peyton) who have proven in 100's of games that they can't shoot..

ES
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12/14/2020  1:27 PM
The whole issue was they ran zone and double teamed the ball handler.

Which feeds to our greatest weaknesses. Bad 3pt shooting and a lack of primary ball handlers aka good PGs.

Every team on the league who can run this defense, will unless some trades are made and I don’t think the FO is in the mindset to make trade.

The only real regret I have in all this is we didn’t take a flyer on Theo Maledon with the second rounder

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12/14/2020  1:51 PM
If you want fire power, really your only hope is taking on a Buddy Hield or a Eric Gordon on a salary dump, though likely you'd also have to give up a pick of some sort. Don't see us adding anyone of significance via free agency.

It is frustrating how little talent (or even viable nba starters) we have on this roster, and how little shooting we have. And how we don't have a viable PG. At this point, it is what it is, and I'll watch games hoping to see some sort of development from one or two of the young guys, but I know our only hope is the lottery.

wargames
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12/14/2020  2:21 PM
smackeddog wrote:If you want fire power, really your only hope is taking on a Buddy Hield or a Eric Gordon on a salary dump, though likely you'd also have to give up a pick of some sort. Don't see us adding anyone of significance via free agency.

It is frustrating how little talent (or even viable nba starters) we have on this roster, and how little shooting we have. And how we don't have a viable PG. At this point, it is what it is, and I'll watch games hoping to see some sort of development from one or two of the young guys, but I know our only hope is the lottery.

They just do stupid stuff so much, it’s not surprising.

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Vmart
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12/14/2020  2:44 PM
We change coaches so often it stunts players and their growth. The young players are constantly looking over their shoulders with every regime change. It’s not the way you develop players.
Nalod
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12/14/2020  3:04 PM
Vmart wrote:We change coaches so often it stunts players and their growth. The young players are constantly looking over their shoulders with every regime change. It’s not the way you develop players.

I’m not sure what the wriggling about by fans accomplishes. If one looks at successful teams the base is drafted, then FAs and then trades to round it out.. Lakers were dreadful for like 8 years and did not draft their way out. Great weather and the entertainment complex attracted Lebron and from there they were able to mold a team by trading for AD. We are close for conceptually Giannis seeing this place as attractive if and only if he comes as a FA. I’m not saying he does. But we have picks and a youthful base.
Lakers had Randle, Ingram, and Ball and D’angelo Russell. Neither made their mark there but enough to be traded.
We are not playoff bound. Easy to type but hard to witness. Years of being bad don’t matter. Really. It sucks, it feels bad and its frustrating!!!1

knicks1248
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12/14/2020  3:39 PM
Vmart wrote:We change coaches so often it stunts players and their growth. The young players are constantly looking over their shoulders with every regime change. It’s not the way you develop players.

How many times your going to switch the coach and keep the same players, at some point you have to realize it ain't the coach that needs changing.

ES
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12/14/2020  4:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2020  4:57 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:We change coaches so often it stunts players and their growth. The young players are constantly looking over their shoulders with every regime change. It’s not the way you develop players.

How many times your going to switch the coach and keep the same players, at some point you have to realize it ain't the coach that needs changing.

This team goes through an overhaul every two years so what gives. Blame the players ok new players come same result blame the coach. All the Knicks have done is created a blame game no accountability system. Coaches come here for the check. See Larry Brown, Fisher, Fizdale. Just collecting checks.

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12/14/2020  5:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:We change coaches so often it stunts players and their growth. The young players are constantly looking over their shoulders with every regime change. It’s not the way you develop players.

How many times your going to switch the coach and keep the same players, at some point you have to realize it ain't the coach that needs changing.

Rainman says if we have better players, we’d be a better team.
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wargames
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12/14/2020  5:54 PM
Vmart wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:We change coaches so often it stunts players and their growth. The young players are constantly looking over their shoulders with every regime change. It’s not the way you develop players.

How many times your going to switch the coach and keep the same players, at some point you have to realize it ain't the coach that needs changing.

This team goes through an overhaul every two years so what gives. Blame the players ok new players come same result blame the coach. All the Knicks have done is created a blame game no accountability system. Coaches come here for the check. See Larry Brown, Fisher, Fizdale. Just collecting checks.

We do all these changes and we never have a PG

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12/14/2020  8:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:The offensive fire power took a step back. We simply don’t have the guns. I’m looking at Washington

They have Bradley Beal and Westbrook at the guards position. Not to mention the stacked roster

We have two role players who no one else wanted.

I guess if the off season was a quest to be the worst nba team with no assertive plan — we have accomplished the goal.

I still think e should’ve gone after Woods and Nesmith— and possibly countered with Avidja when he fell. Toppin will be ok but this overall team is sht


Cavs are worse but we are pretty bad
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wargames
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12/14/2020  8:49 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The offensive fire power took a step back. We simply don’t have the guns. I’m looking at Washington

They have Bradley Beal and Westbrook at the guards position. Not to mention the stacked roster

We have two role players who no one else wanted.

I guess if the off season was a quest to be the worst nba team with no assertive plan — we have accomplished the goal.

I still think e should’ve gone after Woods and Nesmith— and possibly countered with Avidja when he fell. Toppin will be ok but this overall team is sht


Cavs are worse but we are pretty bad

Well we’ll find out who is worst later this week

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12/15/2020  12:13 AM
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don’t understand why everyone harps in free agency. Players do not want to be in the Knicks especially top tier players free agency is out of the question it’s only for lower tier FA players. Trade is another story. Probably the only way to get a top tier player here is by trade only and that means a depleted roster for a possibly aging star player. This current team will have to make their own star player which means hoping RJ and Obi can be those guys.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is continuity to much change from year to year. They don’t build on talent. All you have to do is just look at how they are shoving DSJ down everyone’s throat when last year Frank was building something and coming into his own. Now it’s back to the drawing board for Frank and DAJ gets thrusted to the top becauseo he has earned it.
The starting lineup for the Knicks is suppose to be

Knox
Obi
Robinson
RJ
Frank

Those are our home grown guys. You are not getting top flight free agents just rule that out.

The problem with Knox abs frank is they sick every other game — it’s hard to win like that. Barrett a good piece although he can’t shoot. I’m nite if M Robinson is anything other than a 20 minute player.
The line up u put out has no shooting

Consistent time will bring consistent results. Problem is these guys don’t get to work together develop comraderie. With management change comes agenda change. Simple as that. When were Knox and Frank ever given the consistent time to thrive and to develop. One bad game and it’s to the bench. I have seen other teams they consistently give their top players the necessary time to develop. Knicks have this backward system where they favor anyone that walks through the door.

That’s how I see it to. I would love for this group to know we were rolling with them, starters with consistent minutes. I’m sure chemistry and an identity would develop. They all play hard. Maybe their ceiling wouldn’t end up being that high but you don’t get their best IMO with revolving lineups.

Looking at this team so far

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