HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:^ Frank looked good last night. His on ball and help defense is elite. If someone can't see this then they are blind or Frank did something personal to them.

I totally agree with your assessment from last night.

Thibs is the 4th coach that does not see Frank as a starting PG? Why? Even worse, if the first game is any indication, he does not think he is even a PG. Why?

And he's the third coach in a row who thinks Randle should start at PF - even ahead of Obi this time.

Give it time, he will eventually realize Frank is the best +/- player on the roster besides Mitch

Randle was our best player last year. So yeah makes sense to start him. As much as I hate him handling the ball still feel that is the right move. Obi may be, but one game vs Detroit does not erase Randle's proven production. As for Frank, I hope so. Just getting to the point the whole "Just wat and see" rant is getting old. Frank and Dennis have to step up and become above average PG's that have more impact or else its time to try someone else at PG. Frank can always be a solid bench role player.

The problem with making Randle your featured player on offense is he's a losing player. He can't shoot 3's, dribbles way too much and you even saw last night the spin move turnover stuff everyone keeps complaining about.

That doesn't mean Randle can't have a role on a competitive team but more likely that role should be coming off the bench as an energy guy. I don't hate Randle like a lot of knicks fans do. He fills a stat box, is a good low post scorer and is a decent mid-range shooter but Obi needs to start I think we have something special in him and if he gets starter minutes this year he could be in competition for ROY

Nalod wrote:Dennis still looks like he is thinking too much. I had said this before, he had his ACL torn his senior year in high school and really did not play. He has has that extra tendon so the 9th month miracle recovery bought him back. Rusty as hell he did not find his stride until the last 10 college games. My Son is an NC State grad and this our adapted team. Then on to Dallas were he was inconsistent but thats OK for a rook with few games under his belt at a high level. Then they mindphuck of Luka and the trade. He does not have the physical dominance or has not demonstrated it yet. I compare him to Baron Davis as they are both built strong. Baron was a rock star having a good time. Dennis does not have the joy of playing. IN high school he was projected to have that Steve Francis freaky ability. A bit of Derek rose, Baron Davis type bulldog. Rose has the length. Dennis simply just might not have “it” despite early flashes. He no doubt gets opportunity because of this potential but at 23 we have to see it. GM’s will have to see it if they are to assign a value on a contract. I’m not even sure he is an NBA player. HE needs to string 20 or so games together that defines who and what he is.

I'm not sure if playing with joy is the issue. I've always said, he plays like he expected to be anointed greatness by just showing up and putting in the standard amount of work at this level. I think he values "oohhs & aahhs" from his peers and the crowd more than he values wins. It may be unfair but that's how it looks from the outside looking in to me.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:^ Frank looked good last night. His on ball and help defense is elite. If someone can't see this then they are blind or Frank did something personal to them.

I totally agree with your assessment from last night.

Thought he looked good as well given his role. Looked faster and more comfortable than we have seen him. Missed the 3 he made but the pull up jumper off the dribble was picture perfect form with full confidence of a ton of reps behind it. The defense doesn’t need to be talked about. But on offense there were times when he was calling the ball carrier to swing the ball to Knox as he was gonna set a pick for him to break free. Dude is a pure team player to the core. Had 7 pts on 2 attempts with 3 ft attempts before missing 3 put backs to push him to 2-5. He even tried to organize a play at the top of the key calling his own number but ended up tripping and falling down. He also split the defense between 3 defenders and almost had a beautiful ally oop to Mitch but miss timed the pass. But how he split the defense is something we’ve never seen Frank do to get inside he teeth of a defense. Still has work to do but this is a game worth him building on. He did fall on the ground like 2 times though along with miss timed passes. Gotta clean that up.

The knicks pulled away with the game yesterday when Frank was in at PG. Bottom line. The guy is a good +/- player even if he's just average offensively. His defense and ability to disrupt passing lanes and change shots will never show up in a stat box.

I don't understand the fascination with Elfrid Payton and this hysteria that the knicks desperately need a PG. Payton can't put the ball in the ocean and is a mediocre at best defender.

Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:Dennis still looks like he is thinking too much. I had said this before, he had his ACL torn his senior year in high school and really did not play. He has has that extra tendon so the 9th month miracle recovery bought him back. Rusty as hell he did not find his stride until the last 10 college games. My Son is an NC State grad and this our adapted team. Then on to Dallas were he was inconsistent but thats OK for a rook with few games under his belt at a high level. Then they mindphuck of Luka and the trade. He does not have the physical dominance or has not demonstrated it yet. I compare him to Baron Davis as they are both built strong. Baron was a rock star having a good time. Dennis does not have the joy of playing. IN high school he was projected to have that Steve Francis freaky ability. A bit of Derek rose, Baron Davis type bulldog. Rose has the length. Dennis simply just might not have “it” despite early flashes. He no doubt gets opportunity because of this potential but at 23 we have to see it. GM’s will have to see it if they are to assign a value on a contract. I’m not even sure he is an NBA player. HE needs to string 20 or so games together that defines who and what he is.

I don't know what to make of DSJ. He doesn't have PG skills. He's only playing the position because of his lack of size. He can't shoot, so playing off the ball is problematic. He doesn't play with much interest on defense. The only time he seems to give max effort is when it leads to a spectacular dunk, steal or block. He has a laundry list of excuses why he isn't a top flight player yet. Even his rookie year when he put up decent numbers, if you watched him play you saw that the stats were hollow.

I'm not sure if playing with joy is the issue. I've always said, he plays like he expected to be anointed greatness by just showing up and putting in the standard amount of work at this level. I think he values "ohhs and ahhhs" from his peers and the crowd more than he values wins. It may be unfair but that's how it looks from the outside looking in to me.

DSJ looked ok last night but he has no role on a winning team. Can't shoot, doesn't play D and turns the ball over alot. I think he really believed the hype he got his first year in the NBA when he was considered the next Baron Davis and the media was laughing at the knicks for not drafting him

I’ve been staying in my vacation house during Covid and I don’t get Msg here— had to drive to another home I have in Ct to see game. I’ve used hehe streams here( thanks to crushalot) but it was having troubles getting games. I jumped in car drove 45 min across state to watch it.

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:^ Frank looked good last night. His on ball and help defense is elite. If someone can't see this then they are blind or Frank did something personal to them.

I totally agree with your assessment from last night.

Thibs is the 4th coach that does not see Frank as a starting PG? Why? Even worse, if the first game is any indication, he does not think he is even a PG. Why?

And he's the third coach in a row who thinks Randle should start at PF - even ahead of Obi this time.

Give it time, he will eventually realize Frank is the best +/- player on the roster besides Mitch

Randle was our best player last year. So yeah makes sense to start him. As much as I hate him handling the ball still feel that is the right move. Obi may be, but one game vs Detroit does not erase Randle's proven production. As for Frank, I hope so. Just getting to the point the whole "Just wat and see" rant is getting old. Frank and Dennis have to step up and become above average PG's that have more impact or else its time to try someone else at PG. Frank can always be a solid bench role player.

The problem with making Randle your featured player on offense is he's a losing player. He can't shoot 3's, dribbles way too much and you even saw last night the spin move turnover stuff everyone keeps complaining about.

That doesn't mean Randle can't have a role on a competitive team but more likely that role should be coming off the bench as an energy guy. I don't hate Randle like a lot of knicks fans do. He fills a stat box, is a good low post scorer and is a decent mid-range shooter but Obi needs to start I think we have something special in him and if he gets starter minutes this year he could be in competition for ROY

Do not think Randle is good enough to be a featured player on most teams. He is a good guy to plug down on the block. Does not change that he is our best player. Right now. More indicative of where the Knicks need to ascend to than how good Randle is. I like Obi. Wanted him as our pick. Hoping he becomes a star.

Preseason and he is getting after it

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Jmpasq wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Yeah. I like it. Frank, DSjr, Knox, Obi, Mitch lineup was good. RJ settled down. Noel is a good center.

Randle and Payton needs to go.

Watching Noel is giving me perspective on what we have with Mitch. He might just be middle of the road center.