Is there any reason to be down on Kemba? He'll be ~33 by the end of his contract - they'll have extracted his peak years as a player on this deal. So, in his final year he won't have the same potential value as KP.

I predict KP will perpetually thrill and disappoint. He'll be constantly recovering from injury, reaching a peak, and getting injured again. This last season was practically an ideal scenario - the team was patient in bringing him along, he had a few extra months off, didn't have to travel... and in spite of that, he suffered another knee injury.

He's young enough that another team will be willing to take on the risk that he stays glued together for a season, or more importantly, for a stretch run into the playoffs. When I look at KP, I think about Andrew Bynum fizzling out). And after his Dallas contract is over, he might still have another big deal in him based on the potential of being healthy at the right time.

Philc1 wrote:

technomaster wrote:This is what you're thinking about at 5:26am on a Monday? lol!

Is there any reason to be down on Kemba? He'll be ~33 by the end of his contract - they'll have extracted his peak years as a player on this deal. So, in his final year he won't have the same potential value as KP.

I predict KP will perpetually thrill and disappoint. He'll be constantly recovering from injury, reaching a peak, and getting injured again. This last season was practically an ideal scenario - the team was patient in bringing him along, he had a few extra months off, didn't have to travel... and in spite of that, he suffered another knee injury.

He's young enough that another team will be willing to take on the risk that he stays glued together for a season, or more importantly, for a stretch run into the playoffs. When I look at KP, I think about Andrew Bynum fizzling out). And after his Dallas contract is over, he might still have another big deal in him based on the potential of being healthy at the right time.

Kemba has a chronic knee problem. Porzingis has chronic issues in both knees
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Ah, sorry, just saw the timestamp. #neveragain

I just read that Kemba was going to do a stem cell treatment on his knee. He produced pretty well throughout the playoffs in 2020. It seems like he can play with it and still be effective. Assuming this is a chronic problem (aka arthritis) it's sure to impact him, though.

KP's keeps running into these acute/specific injuries. I wouldn't call them chronic - just injury prone - they're usually different things - as a Knick he also missed games due to sore elbow, shoulder, general soreness. The first major injury was the torn ACL in the left knee. The latest injury (torn right meniscus) was something totally new. There hasn't been any report of any major chronic problems.

Two comparisons for KP (former Knicks):
* Marcus Camby - Camby missed a lot of games particularly early in his career for all sorts of ailments. But particularly in his late 20s he became a helluva player. He managed 3 seasons between 2003-2008 (ages 29-33) where he started 70+ games. (his big achievement was DPOTY in his late prime ~32yo)

* Danilo Gallinari. Now age 31, he has only managed to play 70+ games 2x in his 12 seasons (including missing all of 2013-2014). He was actually a better player after ACL surgery, but he's practically a lock to miss 20+ games/year. Teams continue to pay him and hope he'll be healthy at the right time (and that they can make it to the playoffs without his regular contribution). I don't think he has any chronic issues, just injury prone. He was remarkably healthy last season in OKC.

technomaster wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

technomaster wrote:This is what you're thinking about at 5:26am on a Monday? lol!

Is there any reason to be down on Kemba? He'll be ~33 by the end of his contract - they'll have extracted his peak years as a player on this deal. So, in his final year he won't have the same potential value as KP.

I predict KP will perpetually thrill and disappoint. He'll be constantly recovering from injury, reaching a peak, and getting injured again. This last season was practically an ideal scenario - the team was patient in bringing him along, he had a few extra months off, didn't have to travel... and in spite of that, he suffered another knee injury.

He's young enough that another team will be willing to take on the risk that he stays glued together for a season, or more importantly, for a stretch run into the playoffs. When I look at KP, I think about Andrew Bynum fizzling out). And after his Dallas contract is over, he might still have another big deal in him based on the potential of being healthy at the right time.

Kemba has a chronic knee problem. Porzingis has chronic issues in both knees
<snip>

Ah, sorry, just saw the timestamp. #neveragain

I just read that Kemba was going to do a stem cell treatment on his knee. He produced pretty well throughout the playoffs in 2020. It seems like he can play with it and still be effective. Assuming this is a chronic problem (aka arthritis) it's sure to impact him, though.

KP's keeps running into these acute/specific injuries. I wouldn't call them chronic - just injury prone - they're usually different things - as a Knick he also missed games due to sore elbow, shoulder, general soreness. The first major injury was the torn ACL in the left knee. The latest injury (torn right meniscus) was something totally new. There hasn't been any report of any major chronic problems.

Two comparisons for KP (former Knicks):
* Marcus Camby - Camby missed a lot of games particularly early in his career for all sorts of ailments. But particularly in his late 20s he became a helluva player. He managed 3 seasons between 2003-2008 (ages 29-33) where he started 70+ games. (his big achievement was DPOTY in his late prime ~32yo)

* Danilo Gallinari. Now age 31, he has only managed to play 70+ games 2x in his 12 seasons (including missing all of 2013-2014). He was actually a better player after ACL surgery, but he's practically a lock to miss 20+ games/year. Teams continue to pay him and hope he'll be healthy at the right time (and that they can make it to the playoffs without his regular contribution). I don't think he has any chronic issues, just injury prone. He was remarkably healthy last season in OKC.

I don’t remember Camby having the chronic knee problems KP has. I remember Camby having back issues and other soft tissue injuries due to him not putting on weight until the 7th or 8th year of his career. The guy was a tooth pick playing Center back when players were actually allowed to be physical in the paint

TPercy wrote:should we not wait to see how KP fairs after injury return before we deem it a bad contract?

Hence the “going forward”

technomaster wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

technomaster wrote:This is what you're thinking about at 5:26am on a Monday? lol!

Is there any reason to be down on Kemba? He'll be ~33 by the end of his contract - they'll have extracted his peak years as a player on this deal. So, in his final year he won't have the same potential value as KP.

I predict KP will perpetually thrill and disappoint. He'll be constantly recovering from injury, reaching a peak, and getting injured again. This last season was practically an ideal scenario - the team was patient in bringing him along, he had a few extra months off, didn't have to travel... and in spite of that, he suffered another knee injury.

He's young enough that another team will be willing to take on the risk that he stays glued together for a season, or more importantly, for a stretch run into the playoffs. When I look at KP, I think about Andrew Bynum fizzling out). And after his Dallas contract is over, he might still have another big deal in him based on the potential of being healthy at the right time.

Kemba has a chronic knee problem. Porzingis has chronic issues in both knees
<snip>

Ah, sorry, just saw the timestamp. #neveragain

I just read that Kemba was going to do a stem cell treatment on his knee. He produced pretty well throughout the playoffs in 2020. It seems like he can play with it and still be effective. Assuming this is a chronic problem (aka arthritis) it's sure to impact him, though.

KP's keeps running into these acute/specific injuries. I wouldn't call them chronic - just injury prone - they're usually different things - as a Knick he also missed games due to sore elbow, shoulder, general soreness. The first major injury was the torn ACL in the left knee. The latest injury (torn right meniscus) was something totally new. There hasn't been any report of any major chronic problems.

Two comparisons for KP (former Knicks):
* Marcus Camby - Camby missed a lot of games particularly early in his career for all sorts of ailments. But particularly in his late 20s he became a helluva player. He managed 3 seasons between 2003-2008 (ages 29-33) where he started 70+ games. (his big achievement was DPOTY in his late prime ~32yo)

* Danilo Gallinari. Now age 31, he has only managed to play 70+ games 2x in his 12 seasons (including missing all of 2013-2014). He was actually a better player after ACL surgery, but he's practically a lock to miss 20+ games/year. Teams continue to pay him and hope he'll be healthy at the right time (and that they can make it to the playoffs without his regular contribution). I don't think he has any chronic issues, just injury prone. He was remarkably healthy last season in OKC.

At one point, Gallo made the NBA's 10 Worst Contracts list. Here's hopin KP does the same.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Dallas has a weird inability to attract free agents.

Would you want to live in Texas? I sure don’t.

The tax situation is nice. I'm sure it's always a consideration.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Dallas has a weird inability to attract free agents.

Would you want to live in Texas? I sure don’t.

The tax situation is nice. I'm sure it's always a consideration.

Players pay state taxes everywhere they play road games

KnickDanger wrote:

TPercy wrote:should we not wait to see how KP fairs after injury return before we deem it a bad contract?

Of course. Just as we should wait to see if he returns or not and what the two Dallas #1's will be before we term it the Knicks "losing" again or "the worst trade in history." And I quote.

Going beyond the emotion in either direction of fans such as myself, I think it's fair to speculate on the information at hand -- in this instance whether KP will be worth the max as to his ability to be healthy. Certainly there has been tons of criticism on the trade before it's played out. Feels good to push back a little.

Philc1 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

TPercy wrote:should we not wait to see how KP fairs after injury return before we deem it a bad contract?

Of course. Just as we should wait to see if he returns or not and what the two Dallas #1's will be before we term it the Knicks "losing" again or "the worst trade in history." And I quote.

Going beyond the emotion in either direction of fans such as myself, I think it's fair to speculate on the information at hand -- in this instance whether KP will be worth the max as to his ability to be healthy. Certainly there has been tons of criticism on the trade before it's played out. Feels good to push back a little.

100% with you on this. Getting Mitchell Robinson out of that Melo deal made it a win and he was the 2nd round pick, so I'd imagine in a loaded draft that we could steal another top prospect both now and in 2023.

The Mavericks are one bad Luka ankle reinjury away from one of those picks we got becoming a lottery pick