With that said, I am going to change my hope for what the Knicks do in the draft. Still believe that if do not have Toppin or Okongwu drop to us at the 8, we should trade the pick for multiple low to mid teen picks. Fishmike suggested a trade with Boston involved to get this done. The next question, for me. is which direction do we go with the extra picks. Originally I was on the side of adding shooters. Still feel it may be a good way to go. As we have seen, we do not have guys that can consistently knock down shots. Feel that we can add a couple with those extra picks. Briggs likes Nesmith. Do not see a problem with picking him in the mid teens. My favorites are Bey followed by Terry and Green at these levels. However, having trouble ignoring the fact there are several athletic 6'8+ guys in the draft. Aside from Toppin and Okongwu, who as mentioned I feel are worth the 8th pick, there are also several others that have real potential and may be some of the biggest sleepers in the draft. Ones that can be drafted in the mid teens. I had hoped that Mcdaniels would fall to us at 27 but think the rest of the NBA is coming back to what his potential was coming out of HS. Think he has one of the highest ceilings in the draft. I followed him coming out of HS and thought he would do great things in the NCAA. Unfortunately, whether it was the shortened non tournament year or his trouble adapting to college, his first year did not overwhelm. Reason why he is not top 10. I think it was a combination of those things and not indicative of his true potential. For that reason he is my pick in the mid teens. Two others that I have liked for some time and hoped would fall to 27 are Williams and Achiuwa. Unfortunately, I feel they are going to go in mid teens as well.

In terms of the PG situation, still do not feel there is a PG with a higher ceiling or more importantly that will be better than than DSJR or Frank right away. Especially one that is worth using an 8th pick for. Think a better option is FA. However, if we do pick a PG, hope it is with the 27th or better yet the 38th pick. Still favor Ramsey from TT or Cole from NC as ones that some are sleeping on and would probably be there at 27. Do like Lewis and Maxey but feel they will not be available there. Others to consider and who can be drafted and/or converted to viable PG's that should be there at 27 are Hampton, Bolmaro or even Mannion. One that may be there at 38 is Joe from Arkansas. Decent shooter, and again, not much worse than ones mentioned above. Pritchard from Oregon is also worth considering with the 38.

If we can draft Mcdaniels, Bey and lets say Williams in the first round, I would be ecstatic. Think we will instantly have the potential to compete athletically with most teams in the east. What ever happens, I hope Rose at least keeps the draft strategy as part of the plan. Would be disappointing if he traded most of this years picks for a starphuck. Or if he used the 8th on a long shot PG. As mentioned above, it would be great to pick up a mix of shooters and athletic bigs in the draft and go out and add a PG in Free agency. Excited/nervous to see what Rose does. One thing is for sure, it will be an interesting couple of weeks in November.

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/11/2/21544551/report-theres-a-trade-package-already-on-the-table-for-chris-paul

"I’ve been told by a league source that Chris Paul prefers his next basketball home to be either in LA or NY (Los Angeles is where he resides full time) and that has created some modicum of leverage in the ongoing negotiations between the sides. I’m also told that there is a deal on the table that is comfortable from Sam Presti’s perspective, and the ball is in Leon Rose’s court"

Translation. Agent using the Knicks to get a better deal from LA. We have seen this before.

Chandler wrote:in theory i get the appeal of trading back

in reality i wouldn't do it. if we were some drafting mavens i might feel otherwise, but we're not. At out slot we should be able to add a quality contributor. And while the teens have definitely results in lots of great players, the odds are different

TT should focus on a a player who will help establish an identity with the team. Hoping we don't get too cute

plus there's the near universal law: if you make draft day trades with the Celtics you lose

Knicks pretty much have a new front office, I'm just here to see what choices they make and think we will get a good glimpse into the level of competency

Chandler wrote:in theory i get the appeal of trading back

in reality i wouldn't do it. if we were some drafting mavens i might feel otherwise, but we're not. At out slot we should be able to add a quality contributor. And while the teens have definitely results in lots of great players, the odds are different

TT should focus on a a player who will help establish an identity with the team. Hoping we don't get too cute

plus there's the near universal law: if you make draft day trades with the Celtics you lose

Might as well find out how good the new scouting system is. Also, although I agree that teen picks are hard to gauge, it is the reason I feel multiple picks are the best way to mitigate our return. Especially in a year where the draft is more uncertain than ever,

Really do think that the guys I mentuoned have a better chance of being closer to the pleasant surprise of MR than the somewhat dissapointing one of Frank and Knox. They have the same athletic quality I think may be something to focus on.

Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games

Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.

Still believe that Rose seems like the kind of team pres. who would be bold enough to trade up. When was the last time we did?

Also believe with the Knicks revamped scouting dept. we could also see the Knicks trade down, maybe get a 2 for 1 deal.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games

Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.

I like Vassell or Cole Anthony at 8

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.postingandtoasting.com/platform/amp/2020/11/12/21558858/report-the-knicks-worked-out-kira-lewis-and-devin-vassell-are-contemplating-trading-down

Hopefully Rose has something set up if we do not have a chance at Toppin, Okongwu or some of the other rated top 5 that may fall to us. Really do feel we can get the equivalent of Vassell or Lewis later on. I am also hoping that, in a "Shortened" season, we roll with youth and figure out who is worth keeping long term. Only pricey contracts I want are the ones that come with draft picks. With so many young question marks, this is not the year to go all in on FA's. Its a good year to buuld the young base. Then we can use all the cap space in a more promising class in 2021.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Stay at 8 and 27. It’s a fairly deep draft. No superstars but a lot of players who can be effective and help you win games

Who do you think can do that at the 8? As mentioned, like to stick if we can get Toppin or Okongwu.

I like Vassell or Cole Anthony at 8

Liked Vassell early on. But after watching his work outs I think he will have an issue with his shooting. Think other NBA teams will come to the same conclusion and he will drop to mid teens.
No reason to get Anthony at 8. He will probably be ther at 27. Also, keep going ba k to Joe as another sleeper.

What’s your issue with Vassell’s shooting? He shot 41% from 3 in college

I also love Vassell’s long wingspan. Him, Frank and Mitch playing together will cause problems for teams trying to pass the ball