Saw the game against the Magic.He shot 50% from the field,11pts,9rebs,2 steals,3 blocks in 32 minutes with Shaq out with an injury.He was running the same pick and rolls he was in New York with Wade and hitting shots with someone in his face.

I know its early and plenty of time for Nazr to turn it around and TT as well but at some point they both have to prove that thay were worth bringing to NY and for the most part I havent seen them do it consistently to justify it.Not that Im a big fan of KVH.

Fortunately their contracts are about up so if it ends up being a mistake unlike years past,the Knicks wont be paying for it long term unless someone gets an extension they dont deserve.

No disrespect to Doleac but 9 rebounds and 3 blocks in 32 minutes? Come one now, we all know he won't keep that up consistantly. He's a solid player but 11, 9 and 3 per would be almost Ben Wallace type number give or take a few rebounds.

"Even Isiah said he regrets not being able to get him back on the team."

True! I wish we'd have gotten him back too......Damn Denver!!! Oh well, let's hope the tandem of Baker/Mohammad make up for a potential Doleac/Mohammad.

Yeah, I think this team is lacking a solid, defensive center. I'm not sure Doleac is that guy night in and night out, but he'd be an improvement over Baker. I'm willing to give Nazr a few more chances, as he did play better than any center last year...

Has anyone watched Baker lately, he has no rise on any of his shots, can't get a shot off in traffic, doesn't rebound or defend very well, he needs loads of work.

And I am still not a big fan of the two trades other than Marbury that Isiah made

Moochie and Amechi for Weatherspoon. He is not a good player he is undersized, and can't shoot so he doesn't really belong in NY.

KVH and Doleac brought something that was important, especially for this line up and thats versatility. Van Horn no matter what you say about him was playing great last year he was being aggressive took playing in NY as a personal challenge and could spread the floor, rebound and play within a team concept. Can you say that about TT, not really. TT disapears just like Van Horn doesn't work defensively even though he should be a great defender and has been more trouble than hes worth.

Naz is a back-up. You can't call someone who didn't flourish with the Hawks a key to any deal. Ratliff was injured often so he had plenty of time to shine. Yes he is a good rebounded occasionaly and can give you a 20 16 game sometimes but i am still not a big fan. I enjoyed Doleac because he worked hard, did his job was professional and worked well on the pick and roll.

If the preseason has shown us anything its that there is not one team in the entire NBA that can check Crawford and Marbury one on one, so that means the team needs shooters, and thats why Houston is essential in the three guard line-up, because he will never be double, Kurt Thomas is going to get easy buckets and so is any other jump shooters

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Has anyone watched Baker lately, he has no rise on any of his shots, can't get a shot off in traffic, doesn't rebound or defend very well, he needs loads of work.

And I am still not a big fan of the two trades other than Marbury that Isiah made

Moochie and Amechi for Weatherspoon. He is not a good player he is undersized, and can't shoot so he doesn't really belong in NY.

KVH and Doleac brought something that was important, especially for this line up and thats versatility. Van Horn no matter what you say about him was playing great last year he was being aggressive took playing in NY as a personal challenge and could spread the floor, rebound and play within a team concept. Can you say that about TT, not really. TT disapears just like Van Horn doesn't work defensively even though he should be a great defender and has been more trouble than hes worth.

Naz is a back-up. You can't call someone who didn't flourish with the Hawks a key to any deal. Ratliff was injured often so he had plenty of time to shine. Yes he is a good rebounded occasionaly and can give you a 20 16 game sometimes but i am still not a big fan. I enjoyed Doleac because he worked hard, did his job was professional and worked well on the pick and roll.

If the preseason has shown us anything its that there is not one team in the entire NBA that can check Crawford and Marbury one on one, so that means the team needs shooters, and thats why Houston is essential in the three guard line-up, because he will never be double, Kurt Thomas is going to get easy buckets and so is any other jump shooters

I thought we were done with the TT/KVH comparisons! Did you watch the game against Milwaukee last March? That should show you everything you need to know about TT vs. KVH. KVH is a streaky player. TT has a much higher ceiling. Don't be misled by Tim letting the Ariza get his shots and PT right now, Tim is still a focal point of this team's offense. Tim Thomas is a FAR better fit for this team than KVH. Tim allows this team to run. Tim can guard just as many 4s as KVH can. And if KVH is so valuable and versatile, why is he coming off the bench for MIL behind Joe Smith and Des Mason?

Also, Nazr shot 57% last season as a Knick. He's a decent fit for this team, and does a lot of good things. He can't play the pick and roll like Doleac, but he can take it inside and get the other team in foul trouble. The Knicks still need a shot blocker who can play D and run the floor.