Posted by TMS:

you have to draw a line somewhere...he can get emotional & get the crowd into it w/o hanging on the rim...they don't issue tech's for yelling after a dunk & posturing to the crowd really...as long as you're not taunting the opposing players...the hanging on the rim thing can go either way, depending on the way he does it, but it's not really necessary, so why do it? you can't selectively enforce a rule like that...if you're going to have the rule, you have to universally enforce it.

Posted by Bizzy211:

Posted by Kwazimodal:

Posted by Bizzy211:

People wasn't shouting about the league becoming "And 1" when the likes of Shaq (who was breaking the rim way back when), Barkley, Kemp, and Robinson were doing it. That's because most of yall didn't know about And 1 then, or yet alone, the Rucker games. Now that people have something to compare it to, they use it to death.

[quote]I hope you werent refering to me.Growing up in NYC in the 70s,I knew about Rucker probably before you were born.As for And1,who didnt know about it?Their mix tapes have been around for years Way back when Shaq was breaking the rim? It wasnt that long ago.

Players have been dunking going back decades but guys like Barkley and Robinson could actually shoot the ball,so could ,Jordan,Malone and too many other players to mention.Today in the highlights on the networks all you see is dunks because they cant show all the bricks that are being put up by guys who are more concerned about dunks then hitting a jumper,maybe you are too young to remember a time when a guy like Houston wasnt a rarity.

The league knows kids are buying up those mix tapes by the millions and want to show that the league has their own ballers.The only thing beaten to death in this league is dunking.

So are you gonna stand proud, tall, mighty and say that because you know of it everyone else knows about it? Come on man. This isn't a praise Kwazi for his age thread. I merely stated a general/open statement. There are alot of people refering to the NBA as rucker/street type ball.

But if you really think about it, alot of those same people didn't become familiar with it until the last 3-4 years. And what does shooting have to do with hanging on the rim. You didn't stay on topic here. I mentioned Shaq (as well as the other guys) because they used to hang on the rim alot. I remember when Shaq broke the whole hoop (not just the glass) by hanging on the rim. I don't care (in this thread) if anyone can shoot or not. It's about hanging on the rim. Get on topic.

Posted by Kwazimodal:

Posted by Bizzy211:

Posted by Kwazimodal:

Posted by Bizzy211:

People wasn't shouting about the league becoming "And 1" when the likes of Shaq (who was breaking the rim way back when), Barkley, Kemp, and Robinson were doing it. That's because most of yall didn't know about And 1 then, or yet alone, the Rucker games. Now that people have something to compare it to, they use it to death.

[quote]I hope you werent refering to me.Growing up in NYC in the 70s,I knew about Rucker probably before you were born.As for And1,who didnt know about it?Their mix tapes have been around for years Way back when Shaq was breaking the rim? It wasnt that long ago.

Players have been dunking going back decades but guys like Barkley and Robinson could actually shoot the ball,so could ,Jordan,Malone and too many other players to mention.Today in the highlights on the networks all you see is dunks because they cant show all the bricks that are being put up by guys who are more concerned about dunks then hitting a jumper,maybe you are too young to remember a time when a guy like Houston wasnt a rarity.

The league knows kids are buying up those mix tapes by the millions and want to show that the league has their own ballers.The only thing beaten to death in this league is dunking.

So are you gonna stand proud, tall, mighty and say that because you know of it everyone else knows about it? Come on man. This isn't a praise Kwazi for his age thread. I merely stated a general/open statement. There are alot of people refering to the NBA as rucker/street type ball.

But if you really think about it, alot of those same people didn't become familiar with it until the last 3-4 years. And what does shooting have to do with hanging on the rim. You didn't stay on topic here. I mentioned Shaq (as well as the other guys) because they used to hang on the rim alot. I remember when Shaq broke the whole hoop (not just the glass) by hanging on the rim. I don't care (in this thread) if anyone can shoot or not. It's about hanging on the rim. Get on topic.

Sorry,but you arent making any sense.I disagree with the original post and write about how dunks are being overblown as it is and I dont want the league to get any closer to and1 type of play that emphasizes style over substance,that ignores the fundamentals like actually making a jump shot and you come back implying that people that talk about and1 and rucker just heard about it recently:


"People wasn't shouting about the league becoming "And 1" when the likes of Shaq (who was breaking the rim way back when), Barkley, Kemp, and Robinson were doing it. That's because most of yall didn't know about And 1 then, or yet alone, the Rucker games. Now that people have something to compare it to, they use it to death."

Since Im the only one here who mentioned And1 in this thread,it isnt unreasonable to believe that you are talking about me.I responded the way I did because I dont believe you are old enough to be telling me about Rucker.Thats your fault for implying that I just heard of streeball.

My post was on topic because I explained why I dont want to see any more of an emphasis on dunking.Many players years back,not necessarily great ones could dunk but they could also do other things,thats why people didnt complain back then because they had different facets to their game.Even Shaq,who cant shoot very well can play D,find the open man and even had a good handle for a big man.

Alot of players coming into the league today can do nothing but dunk.Thats why giving one dimensional players even more time to
show off a minor part of the game is a bad idea.If they spent more time emphasizing shooting skills over who can make the most outrageous dunk like with And1,the game would be alot better.Alot of NBA players today are frustrated And1 ballers.

They used to have And1 as early as the 1920s,It was called the Harlem Globetrotters.Kids knew it was just entertainment back then but today they are buying into the And1 hype like its the way the game should be played.Emphasizing style over substance wont change that.

"They used to have And1 as early as the 1920s,It was called the Harlem Globetrotters." I find this hilarious. This is a prime example of how much you don't know. The "And 1" and "Harlem Globetrotters" are different teams. The And 1 team and tournament is commisioned by the sporting goods company And 1. No they didn't have And 1 back then. If the name converted like you said, then why do we still have a Globetrotters team?

And so what if you were the only person who mention that in this thread. You don't count for majority. Once again, I had mentioned an open/general statement because I have heard it more times than alot. To clarify some more; I am not talking about on this thread only. There is a world out there away from this thread. Look outside your window.

And only to prove you don't know what you are talking about, here is a link about the History of the And 1. http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_7796.shtml I suggest all other readers pay attention to how some people speak as if they know what they are talking about and think that because they are older... they are correct. Obviously you need to read up son.

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Ok, this may be off topic but let's get something straight here. There is a reason why a lot of young kids in the NBA don't shoot as well. There are actually a number of reasons.

One, players now-a-days that are 6-9 through 7 feet play facing up to the basket. It seems like the back to the basket players are fading away. So, for some reason, every other team wants to get a KG type of player. One that can face up and go off the dribble.

Two, anyone here who grew up playing streetball in the NYC (or any other place) know that mostof the backboards are iron and the rims have no nets. Ok, now I think there are a lot of BBall fans here. So we should all know that it is twice as hard to learn to shoot through the hoop when there is no rim. Well, maybe not twice as hard. But when you go to a gym with a nice glass backboard and a rim with a net that;'s when you can shoot 3's all day long. Even the plexigass backboard and iron backboard make a difference with your touch. A netless rim is hard to aim at consistantly.

So, SOME of these young guys played mostly on the streetcourts. That's why most young players have developed moves that can get them all the way to the netless basket. And/or develop moves that will put them in a position where they could dunk the ball. This is my theory as to why a lot of our young players don't develop a consistant shot until they actually reach college and for the most part, the NBA/

This is just MY theory.

I know it's a bit off topic, but I decided to post it while I was thinking about it.

Posted by Bizzy211:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Ok, this may be off topic but let's get something straight here. There is a reason why a lot of young kids in the NBA don't shoot as well. There are actually a number of reasons.

One, players now-a-days that are 6-9 through 7 feet play facing up to the basket. It seems like the back to the basket players are fading away. So, for some reason, every other team wants to get a KG type of player. One that can face up and go off the dribble.

Two, anyone here who grew up playing streetball in the NYC (or any other place) know that mostof the backboards are iron and the rims have no nets. Ok, now I think there are a lot of BBall fans here. So we should all know that it is twice as hard to learn to shoot through the hoop when there is no rim. Well, maybe not twice as hard. But when you go to a gym with a nice glass backboard and a rim with a net that;'s when you can shoot 3's all day long. Even the plexigass backboard and iron backboard make a difference with your touch. A netless rim is hard to aim at consistantly.

So, SOME of these young guys played mostly on the streetcourts. That's why most young players have developed moves that can get them all the way to the netless basket. And/or develop moves that will put them in a position where they could dunk the ball. This is my theory as to why a lot of our young players don't develop a consistant shot until they actually reach college and for the most part, the NBA/

This is just MY theory.

I know it's a bit off topic, but I decided to post it while I was thinking about it.

Well it's off topic for the creater of this thread, but check it out. I used to play alot of streetball before joining the military. I was a very good shooter and, like you said, I did play daily on those rims with no nets (I was surprised you mentioned this. Good reference). But that doesn't degrade you skills as a shooter. It makes you better. Every person coming in the NBA isn't from New York. These guys can't shoot because they haven't trained to shoot. When you are a shooter, you don't worry about anything else but shooting. There are many, many guys who can shoot but sadly as we know, most of them suffer from poor education and alot are into drugs. This is reality. Rims with no nets are just a poor excuse. Most guys who play streetball can't dunk anyway so the have to shoot.

[Edited by - Bizzy211 on 10/18/2004 16:43:56]