did the clippers fail? 4th best record? INtereupted pandemic bubble season and they never got their chemistry right. They pushed the chips into the middle for a two year window. Feels bad, Fired Doc Rivers which seems over reactive given there was no immediate replacement.

Lakers chip feel a bit empty given none of the key players were drafted? LIttle if any build up. Feels. Bit inorganic?
GSW core is still intact and could have its third wave next season. They kept assets in play despite losing Durant. They turned him into Russell, who then became Wiggins and a draft pick.........assets. Patient assets. GSW is playing the long game. Clippers and Lakers instant gratification. Maybe clips get it done next year. We don’t know.
Both LA teams did the same thing in essence. Lured a Top free agent then made a big trade.

Nets did a similar. Move. Unprecedented signing not one but a Dynamic Duo! They have the ability to make a big trade and have a big three.

Knicks are at a cross road and we have no idea where they are going. Its both exciting and terrifying. We have assets to build on with many directions to go. I don’t see going long with rebuild. Not saying it has to be this off season, but this franchise in the next two will do something extreme. Leon and WWW are not here for a Hinkie type rebuild.

Nalod wrote:The City of Los Angeles experienced two starphuch Rebuilds. The Clippers and Lakers. Clippers Preempted a decline by moving from a core Griffith-CP3-Jordan. That was a team that went as far as it could and moved quickly to jump on opportunity and jumped on Kawhi-George. Lakers used the JimmyBuss/Magic Era to draft and build assets to lure Lebron and have trade bait. Lebron looked over the hill, disinterested while injured and stupid. They read Magic out of town but there was the AD trade and in the end LEbron does what he does best and carried the franchise on his back with the best wingman he ever had in his career in his prime.

did the clippers fail? 4th best record? INtereupted pandemic bubble season and they never got their chemistry right. They pushed the chips into the middle for a two year window. Feels bad, Fired Doc Rivers which seems over reactive given there was no immediate replacement.

Lakers chip feel a bit empty given none of the key players were drafted? LIttle if any build up. Feels. Bit inorganic?
GSW core is still intact and could have its third wave next season. They kept assets in play despite losing Durant. They turned him into Russell, who then became Wiggins and a draft pick.........assets. Patient assets. GSW is playing the long game. Clippers and Lakers instant gratification. Maybe clips get it done next year. We don’t know.
Both LA teams did the same thing in essence. Lured a Top free agent then made a big trade.

Nets did a similar. Move. Unprecedented signing not one but a Dynamic Duo! They have the ability to make a big trade and have a big three.

Knicks are at a cross road and we have no idea where they are going. Its both exciting and terrifying. We have assets to build on with many directions to go. I don’t see going long with rebuild. Not saying it has to be this off season, but this franchise in the next two will do something extreme. Leon and WWW are not here for a Hinkie type rebuild.

The Knicks have options which we haven't really had in many years. We have a couple of young guys who have upside, a ton of draft picks, and no bad contracts on the payroll. Add to that a new front office and coaching staff. It's really a blank slate right now, which is a good thing.

knicks1248 wrote:We have been building through the draft for 6 yrs, isn't that what most of you wanted..

It made some of you sick to your stomach when we did win a meaningless game...You embraced the losing culture just like the players we drafted..Then turned on a Player(kp) when he didn't

Most of you thanked mills for not coughing up a 1st rounder in any trade for Noah, the same people who thinks OKC should be coughing up a first rounder to rid them of CP's contract...

Now we are paying noah close to 7 mill, roughly the price of a top 3 pick or a solid role player.

What's crazy is that this is probably the best coaching staff for a slow rebuild, but because of the previous 7 losing seasons, they won't have the luxury. They are going to need to come out of the gate guns blazing, they will have to sacrifice these young players for "win now players"

You scolding us?
You have to bring in either frank or Mills into every conversation?
What trade are you talking about for “Noah”? That we did not dump a pick to move him off the roster?
Wayne Ellington made 8mm last year. Noah at 6.4mm per won’t make or break the franchise.
MIlls is gone. The last 7 years are gone. You want to be 1248 and have a conversation or keep doing a Rainman type nonsensical rant?

I did had a look at the OKC picks they are owed and many, many of them are heavily protected and compromised by complex conditions. Given that they are rebuilding, its unlikely they will trade (in a CP3 swap) near picks that are worthwhile. The two best picks that the Knicks could successfully phish for would be distant Houston and Miami picks owed to OKC that are clean of conditions - OKC won't miss them and the Knicks can't execute them in any timeframe that OKC's FO might look bad for having traded them.
And, personally, I like the idea that the picks would be out in the future to put closure to the current rebuild-through-the-draft mindset.

I think this is the most likely CP3 trade sceanario. Hopefully, hopefully, the Knicks transfer enough ballast to maintain some cap flexibility (there are some very nice upgrade FAs that we can and should sign). I have a gut feeling that CP3 is an inside job that has nothing to do with sensible management - he's connected, Rose is a confidant, OKC is a pathetic, small market franchise, and so on. I wouldn't do a CP3 trade but fans never win these nod and wink, money-laundering deals.

BTW, PJax started this rebuilding process a while back right under Melo's nose. The current staff inherits an emerging rebuild that includes a unicorn (Ntilikina), an emerging star (Dotson), some sophomore draft assets that are already above average NBA rotation players (Barret and MR), and a cafeteria style assembly of role players who they can sort out as they please. This isn't old Rainman's lottery team anymore.

Last year the FA market was slim pickings. This year is richer and the team is more well-defined given Thibs's MO. I think we are a playoff team this year without knowing who we draft or who we sign, trade, discover. Its a covid-asterisk season so who knows but being hopeful isn't an absurd notion.

Nalod wrote:My hope is Rose and WWW figured out a path and have something lined up. Not some CAA conspiracy to enrich his former clients to the detriment of the knicks. Why would he do that? get others rich, get a kick back and humiliate himself? He could have stayed an agent to do that.
Why would WWW come to knicks to repeat the Rainman GroundHog loop?
I can’t tell you that Giannis is coming. Or AD will walk after a season of love. Thats pie in the sky stuff.

What we know is there is but one stain left and thats just Noah’s contract. With some decent young assets this team can go in so many directions. Triple alluded some time ago that teams don’t have plans but they can plan for opportunities. I think we swung on a few and missed. But I’m optimistic with no bearing other than “how much worse can it get and we have our picks, no franchise killing contracts and a new leadership team”.
For now that will have to do1

The reality is it's likely going to be mostly organic growth for the next few years with a few culture changers/vet stars sprinkled in like Chris Paul or Mike Conley. In 3-4 years when that next wave of stars free up after their first big contract, guys like Devin Booker, Beal, Embiid, Towns, Jaylen Brown etc become free agents or approaching free agency and gain leverage, that's when the Knicks will have to be ready to pounce. It's going to be a 4-5 year process to build up the rep of the franchise to get those types of players, but that's what they will have to wait for. I bet we can make the playoffs way before then, but it will be because of players development and some sort terms fixes that don't sacrifice long-term flexibility. My gut feel today would be that we land Devin Booker in about 3 years and a few of the players we draft over the next couple of years end up solid enough to offer in a trade. By then maybe Barrett is a budding star, Mitch is a DPOY candidate with an improved offensive game, and plugging Booker in at 26-27 years old allows us to go from playoff team to championship contender with a couple additional vets. I know it's some pie in the sky stuff, but that's going to have to be the way it gets accomplished.