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NardDogNation
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10/11/2020  5:27 PM
How far could this team go in the Eastern Conference, provided no other major changes take place in the league (BTW, we'd lose all our draft capital in 2020 and 2021 in the process)? Could it be made title contention-worthy by year-2? What would have to take place for that to happen?

STARTERS
G: Chris Paul
G: Josh Richardson
F: Damyean Dotson (re-signed using the cap mid-level exception)
F: Tobias Harris
C: Joel Embiid

ROTATION
G: Dennis Smith Jr
F: Solomon Hill (minimum signing)
F/C: Noah Vonleh (minimum signing)

COACH: Tom Thibodeau and Co.

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10/11/2020  5:39 PM
I think that team would be a 2nd round to ECF type of team. I think a stronger bench could propel them further. So maybe Chris Paul should try to make his way to the Sixers ideally?
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10/11/2020  5:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2020  5:43 PM
If they were Knicks, CP3 and Embiid would get seriously injured, missing most of the season, and Josh Richardson would go through a prolonged shooting slump and declining confidence, to the point where he is no longer a viable player. The team would not make the playoffs, but wouldn’t land a top 3 pick either- they’d end up with the 7th or 8th pick

On a serious note, I don’t they’d be contenders, I thing CP3 would clash with Embiid over attitude (just like he clashed with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin). Even if everything went well chemistry wise, I just don’t see them doing better than a 1st or 2nd round exit.

How far do you see them going?

NardDogNation
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10/11/2020  5:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2020  5:51 PM
jskinny35 wrote:I think that team would be a 2nd round to ECF type of team. I think a stronger bench could propel them further. So maybe Chris Paul should try to make his way to the Sixers ideally?

I think they get their ass handed to them in the 2nd round as well. I don't trust either Paul (injury-risk) or Embiid (lack of drive) deep into the playoffs and could just as easily see them flame out in round 1. But they (as well as Richardson and Harris, albeit to lesser extents) are impressive talents in spite of their flaws. I'd be intrigued enough with this roster to punt on our youth movement, moving forward. Embiid is only 26 years old; Richardson 27 and Harris, 28. With CP3's tutelage/leadership, maybe these guys could exceed the sum of their parts and learn to win.

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10/11/2020  6:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2020  6:08 PM
smackeddog wrote:If they were Knicks, CP3 and Embiid would get seriously injured, missing most of the season, and Josh Richardson would go through a prolonged shooting slump and declining confidence, to the point where he is no longer a viable player. The team would not make the playoffs, but wouldn’t land a top 3 pick either- they’d end up with the 7th or 8th pick

On a serious note, I don’t they’d be contenders, I thing CP3 would clash with Embiid over attitude (just like he clashed with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin). Even if everything went well chemistry wise, I just don’t see them doing better than a 1st or 2nd round exit.

How far do you see them going?

This franchise is definitely cursed, lol. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see those guys suffer season/career ending injuries especially with the type of minutes Thibodeou would force them to play.

My thinking is that they'd be no better than a 2nd round team either, especially without the ability to build a bench in year-1. But in spite of it's obvious flaws, I think the foundational pieces fit exceedingly well with each other. And as a Chris Paul homer, I think his leadership skills could have them exceed the sum of their parts. I'm also inclined to think that he could make the difference in Dennis Smith Jr's approach to the game; taking him under his wing like he did Shai Gilgeous Alexander this season. The talent with Smith is there, IMO. He just needs the guidance and savy to understand how to focus it, which Paul has been able to do exceedingly well for 16 seasons.

While Paul's time in the league is limited, I think the rest of the roster would be young enough to grow with as a franchise. It would make me inclined to take the risk of punting on our youth movement, if it is at all possible.

P.S., I don't see the CP3-Griffin dynamic repeating itself with Embiid. For one, I don't see there being a "whose team is it" narrative taking place since neither player will be an incumbent. I also think that Embiid's game is moreso reliant on a facilitator than Griffin, which would make him more thankful to play with a true floor general that can give him easier looks and better spacing (which he's lacked in his career).

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10/11/2020  6:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/12/2020  6:56 AM
NardDogNation wrote:How far could this team go in the Eastern Conference, provided no other major changes take place in the league (BTW, we'd lose all our draft capital in 2020 and 2021 in the process)? Could it be made title contention-worthy by year-2? What would have to take place for that to happen?

STARTERS
G: Chris Paul
G: Josh Richardson
F: Damyean Dotson (re-signed using the cap mid-level exception)
F: Tobias Harris
C: Joel Embiid

ROTATION
G: Dennis Smith Jr
F: Solomon Hill (minimum signing)
F/C: Noah Vonleh (minimum signing)

COACH: Tom Thibodeau and Co.


In a bubble with a shorter schedule - 3rd Seed
Without a bubble with a full schedule - 4th Seed

Defense, in theory, would be pretty good. Offense would need to be built around Tobias Harris. I'm not saying that's a good idea, but based on that roster, that's what the team would need to do. They need Harris' shooting and floor spacing and need to consistently get him in rhythm. Richardson would need to be the closer.

There are better ways to use the MLE than Dotson. I like Dotson as a Knicks fan, but he's just not worth using the MLE in my book.

Paying luxury tax on DSJr's contract is openly criminal....

If/When Paul goes down, that team would rely on Richardson to be the primary creator.

Harris will struggle against elite cover. You'd need a 2nd half career unprecedented breakout from Richardson. I like Richardson but that's asking a ton out of him.

Chris Paul carries a lot of bad blood from a lot of players. This will impact ring chasers getting onto the roster.



It's an interesting topic, how would you build this team? IIRC, the Knicks have about a 4 million trade exception from the Morris deal, but I'm struggling to see how you'd make the money work. But it's interesting nonetheless.

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10/11/2020  7:33 PM
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10/11/2020  8:39 PM
I would do it but Sixers won't
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10/12/2020  1:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/12/2020  1:54 PM
Embiid isn't going anywhere. He was consulted as to the coaching hire, so there's that.

Personally, I hate the composition of that roster. Pointless in an immediate gratification kind of way. And brittle in an asset management kind of way.

And penciling in DSJ, OMG! All that wheeling and dealing and DSJ is still here. The FO would have better luck assembling a team if they began a daily regiment of micro-dosing LSD starting today.

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