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Karl Anthony Towns - a smart move?
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stanleybostitch
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10/5/2020  8:15 AM
He is certainly an offensive juggernaut. From a poster on reddit:

The Timberwolves offensive rating with KAT on the floor according to Cleaning the Glass is 115.7, which is in the 93rd percentile for all players.

The Timberwolves offense with KAT off the floor is 99.0.

KAT has an on-off split on Offense of +16.7 which is in the 100th percentile, meaning he likely has the biggest difference in the entire league.

However, and big issue here, is that his defense has not been very good, especially recently. From a poster at zonecoverage (good overview):

In 33 games this season [19-20], the Wolves have allowed 101.8 points per 100 possessions when Towns has been off the floor, and when Towns plays their defensive rating spikes to 114.5. For context, that 101.8 number falls between the efficiencies of the top two defenses in the NBA this season, the Milwaukee Bucks (101.2) and the Toronto Raptors (103.9). The 114.5 number falls between the league’s bottom two defenses this season, the Cleveland Cavaliers (113.7) and the Washington Wizards (115.9), according to NBA.com.

https://zonecoverage.com/2020/timberwolves/with-karl-anthony-towns-sidelined-the-timberwolves-defense-is-thriving/

Also in the zonecoverage article is this interesting view of how Thibs impacted KT.

So maybe Thibs can get him playing hard on D.

So, two questions.

1. Is KT a building block and up-and-coming superstar (projection)
2. Would it be worth it to trade what we have to to get him (opportunity cost)

Thoughts?

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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Nalod
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10/5/2020  9:03 AM
Minny pays a price to get KAT Russell and now we talking about him wanting a trade? Not sure where this is coming from?
What’s to talk about. KAT Is not UFA until the summer of 2024 thus he has no leverage to where he gets traded.
With a team that has no bondafide leader/star yet, how do we pair him with talent after a trade? I assume we have to send 3 first round picks and RJ at the very least.
Formula seems logical:

Trade
Free agent
Developed.

Need three players to carry a team.
Denver traded for Jokic but paid little for him. They basically build via the draft and are in a great position to either sign a player or make a big Trade.

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10/5/2020  9:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/5/2020  9:10 AM
5. New York Knicks
If there is a big name player in free agency or on the trading block, the Knicks are always mentioned— even though they tend to almost strikeout each chance they get. The Knicks have pieces to pull off a trade if they were to pursue a star trade, though.

Karl-Anthony Towns grew up in Edison, New Jersey, and went to St. Joe’s Metuchen before attending Kentucky. He grew up a Knicks’ fan in the area and it would be a nice homecoming. New York would have to give up a ton in this deal.


It would require at least two first-round picks along with some young players. Names like R.J. Barrett and Julius Randle come to mind. No team is going to take Dennis Smith Jr. or Frank Ntilikina.

There is a connection between Towns and Tom Thibodeau from their mutual time with the Timberwolves. Could this help or hurt the Knicks? It just seems like a deal that would never be made. The Knicks’ plan is unknown and they would have to decide between rebuilding through the draft or immediately through free agency.

It's probably be the only way the knicks get a #1 pick.. But with the assets they have, they would have to give up almost all of it (ala Melo)

The problem with Towns is that he's not a Leader, so your going to need leaders on the roster, he doesn't consistently bring it on defense (ala melo- Amare)

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10/5/2020  11:17 AM
KAT is 24. Some leaders are born, some grow into it.
We saw Butler indict his ex team blowing out. Whose to blame? One thing that is constant is ownership and thats been an issue.
No culture built there. Flip Sanders second stint was tragically ended with his illness and death but he came closest to building something. Glen Taylor is a “Bad owner”. Team is up for sale or so its rumored. That could change it all.
KAT and Thibs seem to be cool with each other. Perhaps a reunion makes sense in that KAT either has matured and buys into Thibs or it never happens. KAT next to Mitch might be a good combo.
LIkely its clickbait and little more.
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10/5/2020  11:27 AM
If we had tanked better we coulda picked KAT instead of KP and Knicks fans and media would be raking him over the coals as we speak.
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10/5/2020  11:32 AM
Was under the impression that KAT and Thibs didnt click.
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10/5/2020  11:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/5/2020  11:41 AM
Is the 2017/18 season not when they had Butler and made the playoffs?
On & Off does not take into account who you're playing with.
The bottom line is KAT is a bad defender and it wouldn't match with the Knicks.
Knicks fans do not like players that dog it on defense. That's why Frank is a fan's darling and the Melo era could have been different if he gave his all on defense.
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10/5/2020  11:53 AM
Kat doesn't like thibs i doubt a trade with wolves will happen.
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10/5/2020  12:17 PM
KnickDanger wrote:If we had tanked better we coulda picked KAT instead of KP and Knicks fans and media would be raking him over the coals as we speak.

That's why our young guys don't know how to "PLAY TO WIN THE GAME" and have shown little to no development.

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10/5/2020  12:49 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:If we had tanked better we coulda picked KAT instead of KP and Knicks fans and media would be raking him over the coals as we speak.

That's why our young guys don't know how to "PLAY TO WIN THE GAME" and have shown little to no development.

The "young guys" on that roster were Langston Galloway, Shane Larkin, and Tim Hardaway jr....

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10/5/2020  12:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/5/2020  12:51 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Was under the impression that KAT and Thibs didnt click.

They didn’t click and the reasoning was because Towns wasn’t known for having a strong work ethic. That was a reason Butler demanded a trade as well. Seems to not be a good fit here when you’re talking about building a culture. If we were to trade for him it would require dealing any asset and player of value. Every future pick plus RJ and Mitch. And building around a center isn’t ideal today.

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10/5/2020  12:55 PM
Wolves aren't going to look to trade KAT any time soon. They will look to keep adding to the KAT-DLO-Beasley-#1 pick core and hope to build a contender in a few seasons.
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10/5/2020  1:03 PM
Knixkik wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Was under the impression that KAT and Thibs didnt click.

They didn’t click and the reasoning was because Towns wasn’t known for having a strong work ethic. That was a reason Butler demanded a trade as well. Seems to not be a good fit here when you’re talking about building a culture.

And that was the same reason Butler left Philly. Which is why I don't want KAT or Simmons.
This team needs lots of strong work ethic.

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10/5/2020  1:15 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Was under the impression that KAT and Thibs didnt click.

I think Thibs and Butler were tight, Wiggins and KAT I think we’re oK with Thibs but as we know Butler wanted out. Then he left Philly. Might be a bit on him as well.
We have to allow for experiences to grow players and coaches. I think as fans we can only look at stats and a coach’s decisions. We have little else to go on besides imagination. Nobody has said anything bad about Thibs. My take is Thibs had an experienced group in Chicago and Butler was used to that. He said that group of vets were great via JJ Redick interview. Perhaps in his role in Minny he was looked upon as a leader/mentor and was not effective then. Perhaps he pushed too hard. Wanted Thibs to push more, etc.
Let’s find the blame? Maybe lots to go around. That experience with Philly and in a better environment like Miami was perfect for Butler to build on. COuld be as well for Wiggins now in GS and KAT who is not accountable as its now HIS TEAM.
All we know is KAT from Jersey, and its MInny. Might as well throw knicks in the click bait.
I would take him at the right price AND the right Time. Not sure that is now. Not sure what the right price is either.
LIfe is funny. Maybe Lebron wins his 4th, 3rd with 3rd team and comes to think he is done and wants to move on. AD looks around and says “This was great, buh bye” and have a cornerstone. I doubt this is anywhere possible but we have to be ready. Best way is to keep cultivating assets. Get Knox going to play or trade. Frank is a jump shot away from being a very good player. Him too can be traded.
Thus its a bit early to start trading these guys away. If they falter, their value drop won’t be much further than what they are now. I assure one of Knox, Frank, or DS will surprise us on the upside. One goes sideways, an the third plays in Europe.

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10/5/2020  2:49 PM
Nalod wrote:
I would take him at the right price AND the right Time. Not sure that is now. Not sure what the right price is either.

Y I agree. We can't redo the sins of the past aka Melo deal. I think our best course of action is to marinate another year to see what we have, but I doubt the team brass is going to go in that direction. If they do make a splash let's hope it's an asset-light or enhancing splash (e.g., get Chris Paul with some picks in return for a token asset and the contract).

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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10/6/2020  7:12 PM
Not happening
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10/6/2020  7:13 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Was under the impression that KAT and Thibs didnt click.

They didn’t.

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10/6/2020  7:14 PM
houston20 wrote:Kat doesn't like thibs i doubt a trade with wolves will happen.

The wolves if they even considered it would want a package of RJ, Mitch and all of our first round picks next 2 years


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Karl Anthony Towns - a smart move?

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