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10/19/2004  2:07 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

It's not really Houston's fault that he got booed. It's more a condemnation of the idiocy that gave a max deal to a guy who can't get his own shot. Now that things have changed, one of these things is not like the others and it's Allan. I never liked him much and think he's softer than three ply Charmin, but I wouldn't boo him and we're just gonna have to tough out his stupid deal.
Please - watch him this year. He has his own distinctive way of getting his own shot. Never moves his feet. He can be covered like a blanket. Gives the guy a series of head and shoulder fakes, always gets just enough room without even moving his feet to get off and drill that line drive.
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10/19/2004  3:57 PM
NBA players and management cannot renegotiate guaranteed contracts. Once his contract was signed it became guaranteed - no renegotiations

"Guaranteed" does not refer to the contract, it refers to salary. It should really be called guaranteed-salary-in-case-the-player-is waived contract.

Any contract can be rescinded by another contract whose terms stipulate that it replaces and voids the original. Obviously, both parties have to accept.

And speaking of renegotiation, I don't know if Houston (or his agent) would accept a proposal for a lower salary. Why would the Knicks even insult him with such an offer?
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10/19/2004  4:14 PM
Please - watch him this year. He has his own distinctive way of getting his own shot. Never moves his feet. He can be covered like a blanket. Gives the guy a series of head and shoulder fakes, always gets just enough room without even moving his feet to get off and drill that line drive.

Let's look at his jump shot again. Unfortunately, I don't have ready photos. I've seen game pics where, at the height of his jump, his knees almost reach the defender's face. I would imagine he's got to be athletic to soar for a line drive.
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10/19/2004  4:22 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:


Checketts signed H20 to his first contract. The one with an opt out provision. The reason is checketts promised him that if he could,and when he could, he would pay him more. It was a handshake deal that Layden was forced to honor. DOlan his owner honored that deal.

It was more than anyone expected and it sucked, but that is how that played on.

Layden made some real bone head moves and did not futher the franchise, but he also gets blamed for a few things that were not his doing, but had to deal with.

Handshake deals are meaningless. Ask Carlos Boozer. Ask David Wells (who made a handshake deal with the Diamondbacks before deciding to go the Yankees instead). Ask Vranes (who was promised a roster spot for the full year by Layden and then quickly waived by Isiah).

Was Vranes deal guaranteed?

Allan was given an opt out, and would you have preffered he just walk without getting anything in return? Now think, this is before his knee hurt. We overpaid in hindsight, and we overpaid big, but there were other deals much larger.

And your suggeting we go in the gutter and lower our standards to not honor a deal even if its verbal? What Booze did was awful, and just because wells was a yankee does not mean he is not a dirtbag.

sorry Bonnie, your logic does not "Psych" on this one.

[Edited by - nalod on 10/19/2004 16:25:47]
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10/19/2004  7:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:


Checketts signed H20 to his first contract. The one with an opt out provision. The reason is checketts promised him that if he could,and when he could, he would pay him more. It was a handshake deal that Layden was forced to honor. DOlan his owner honored that deal.

It was more than anyone expected and it sucked, but that is how that played on.

Layden made some real bone head moves and did not futher the franchise, but he also gets blamed for a few things that were not his doing, but had to deal with.

Handshake deals are meaningless. Ask Carlos Boozer. Ask David Wells (who made a handshake deal with the Diamondbacks before deciding to go the Yankees instead). Ask Vranes (who was promised a roster spot for the full year by Layden and then quickly waived by Isiah).

Was Vranes deal guaranteed?

Allan was given an opt out, and would you have preffered he just walk without getting anything in return? Now think, this is before his knee hurt. We overpaid in hindsight, and we overpaid big, but there were other deals much larger.

And your suggeting we go in the gutter and lower our standards to not honor a deal even if its verbal? What Booze did was awful, and just because wells was a yankee does not mean he is not a dirtbag.

sorry Bonnie, your logic does not "Psych" on this one.

[Edited by - nalod on 10/19/2004 16:25:47]
I guess we "Canadians" will just have to agree to disagree on this one
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10/20/2004  9:44 AM
If you disagree your saying its ok to conduct unethical business dealing cuz others do it?

Great idea!
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10/20/2004  10:07 AM
Posted by Nalod:

If you disagree your saying its ok to conduct unethical business dealing cuz others do it?

Great idea!
"Unethical" is a value judgement that we can all disagree on; I'm saying that a player or GM should do whatever he can to help himself/his team so long as he's operating 100% within the league rules.
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10/20/2004  10:50 AM
IM sure that makes sense on paper, or with laboratory mice, but in the real world, the way you conduct yourself amung your peers differenctiates yourself. If your a low life, eventurally you will find your natural place in the world.

Bend the rules but not enough to snap it will lose you the benefit of the doubt when you need it most, and the favor will be returned many times over.

Don't forget, no matter how bad you want things done, its a business first. What Boozer and Wells did is not up for discussion, what your saying is we should have let an all-star shooting guard go at the prime of his career. ANd remember, you have no knowlege of what is in store of the future.

So screw a player and create a bad reputation for any potential free agents (remember, this is before we were landlocked salary wise)and make sure everybody knows you deal in bad faith, and let an allstar go with no compensation. you just traded Ewing and are a little sensitive also. ANd for marketing purposes, the only guy left is Spree, whom is not exactly whom you want to have as posterboy to sell season tix to, or ad space to corperate america.

Put a little bit of thought into you posts bonnie, not just suck up to create an argument for the sake of looking cool.
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