BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The kids in HS now, who will be playing in college. How many games will they actually play in HS? College, with Covid in mind? Will it be in an empty stadium, gym? With much less pressure? We're in uncharted territory here.

This draft has prospects who have played in front of large crowds. Who knows what the future holds for the players who follow them, over the next few years? Unless they're from another country.

Wouldnt mind Rose trading future picks for a shot at a real game changer, with a pre-covid resume.
This draft or the next.

Naw, were going to have more kids going to the G-League and as you mentioned, there's still the international kids. Also, this draft is too mediocre. Next year's draft is supposed to be a banger.

Mentioned next season. G league with 10 people in the stands. You hear about great "practice players". Who dont show it in actual games, under pressure. We're going to get a lot of kids who have played in rec league like conditions before being drafted. After being drafted.

Not predicting anything. Just dont see players who will have spent most of their pre-NBA time playing in empty arenas,gyms, being as tested.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The kids in HS now, who will be playing in college. How many games will they actually play in HS? College, with Covid in mind? Will it be in an empty stadium, gym? With much less pressure? We're in uncharted territory here.

This draft has prospects who have played in front of large crowds. Who knows what the future holds for the players who follow them, over the next few years? Unless they're from another country.

Wouldnt mind Rose trading future picks for a shot at a real game changer, with a pre-covid resume.
This draft or the next.

Naw, were going to have more kids going to the G-League and as you mentioned, there's still the international kids. Also, this draft is too mediocre. Next year's draft is supposed to be a banger.

Mentioned next season. G league with 10 people in the stands. You hear about great "practice players". Who dont show it in actual games, under pressure. We're going to get a lot of kids who have played in rec league like conditions before being drafted. After being drafted.

Not predicting anything. Just dont see players who will have spent most of their pre-NBA time playing in empty arenas,gyms, being as tested.

That's just part of the new normal. We had guys in the NBA like TJ Warren who took it to another level with no crowds and guys like PG who sunk. You just hope the scouts investigate and get a handle on the guys who will thrive. Also, there millions of dollars on the line, televised games, social media noise, scouts etc. These kids will still have pressure to perform. We should always have our eye on the next available superstar. This doesn't change that. But it's not like we're swimming in picks. Yeah, we're looking good compared to other years, but we're not OKC.

We've seen what I mentioned earlier as "bubble stars", but Warren is a veteran. The pressure of playing in front of crowds is more immediate. In 3-4 years the crowds will start coming back. For some players, large crowds will be a new experience. Going to be interesting to see which players can handle the transition.

GustavBahler wrote:The kids in HS now, who will be playing in college. How many games will they actually play in HS? College, with Covid in mind? Will it be in an empty stadium, gym? With much less pressure? We're in uncharted territory here.

This draft has prospects who have played in front of large crowds. Who knows what the future holds for the players who follow them, over the next few years? Unless they're from another country.

Wouldnt mind Rose trading future picks for a shot at a real game changer, with a pre-covid resume.
This draft or the next.

You usually speak intelligently. Why would anyone trade "up" in a draft where its a total crap-shoot? Honestly.

If you listen to Hahn, he's good with trading OUT for anyone who looks like a starter.

BigDaddyG wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Best trade offer I'd do is 8th pick, Frank, 27th pick and cash for 1st or 2nd pick. Use that to draft ball or wiseman

I could possibly see doing it for Ball, but why give up all those assets for Wiseman? We already have Mitch and center isn't really a position of need. If Wiseman drops to 8, I can understand drafting him if you think he's the best player available. I like Okongwu better, but I there are solid arguments for both players. But giving up so many assets for a player who doesn't address any of this roster's deficiencies seems like a bad move. This draft is meh, so I'd rather trade down.

Wiseman and mitch can Co-exist. This trade also puts us in a position to trade Randle.

I love Frank, but this trade helps build a solid foundation for our team.

unstopaball12 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Best trade offer I'd do is 8th pick, Frank, 27th pick and cash for 1st or 2nd pick. Use that to draft ball or wiseman

I could possibly see doing it for Ball, but why give up all those assets for Wiseman? We already have Mitch and center isn't really a position of need. If Wiseman drops to 8, I can understand drafting him if you think he's the best player available. I like Okongwu better, but I there are solid arguments for both players. But giving up so many assets for a player who doesn't address any of this roster's deficiencies seems like a bad move. This draft is meh, so I'd rather trade down.

Wiseman and mitch can Co-exist. This trade also puts us in a position to trade Randle.

I love Frank, but this trade helps build a solid foundation for our team.

BigDaddyG wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Best trade offer I'd do is 8th pick, Frank, 27th pick and cash for 1st or 2nd pick. Use that to draft ball or wiseman

I could possibly see doing it for Ball, but why give up all those assets for Wiseman? We already have Mitch and center isn't really a position of need. If Wiseman drops to 8, I can understand drafting him if you think he's the best player available. I like Okongwu better, but I there are solid arguments for both players. But giving up so many assets for a player who doesn't address any of this roster's deficiencies seems like a bad move. This draft is meh, so I'd rather trade down.

Wiseman and mitch can Co-exist. This trade also puts us in a position to trade Randle.

I love Frank, but this trade helps build a solid foundation for our team.

How can you be sure they can coexist? Wiseman can't really guard the perimeter and neither player has shown a semblance of a face-up game or the ability to thrive in the highpost. Worst cas scenario is the Knicks wasted all of those assets for a backup player. Doesn't really seem worth it.

Yeah I agree. I would just stay put here. Ball and Wiseman and even Edwards and way too unknown to give up much for. If everyone views the draft as a weak draft then nobody is really going to much much in order for them to trade up to our 8th pick. We might as well pick who we want no matter where they are projected to go.

I don’t see one player in the draft who is 100% guaranteed to be a star.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The kids in HS now, who will be playing in college. How many games will they actually play in HS? College, with Covid in mind? Will it be in an empty stadium, gym? With much less pressure? We're in uncharted territory here.

This draft has prospects who have played in front of large crowds. Who knows what the future holds for the players who follow them, over the next few years? Unless they're from another country.

Wouldnt mind Rose trading future picks for a shot at a real game changer, with a pre-covid resume.
This draft or the next.

You usually speak intelligently. Why would anyone trade "up" in a draft where its a total crap-shoot? Honestly.

If you listen to Hahn, he's good with trading OUT for anyone who looks like a starter.

You're right, I usually speak intelligently...

All drafts are crap shoots. There are some players worth trading up for. If a deal is doable, good for the team, Rose should go for it. Future drafts are going to be even more of a crap shoot because of the "new normal".

This isn't much different than what teams had to go through when high schoolers were draft eligible. Yeah, they played in front of crowds in highschool games and AAU tournaments, but that level of pressure doesn't compare to college and the pros. That just meant scouts had to dig deeper into measurements, analytics, interviews etc. The landscape may change and the value of picks have dropped of bit, but that doesn't mean a drop-off in talent. Also, look at the top players in this year's draft. Wiseman was suspended after playing a few games against cream puffs. Edwards team sucked and the majority of his games wouldn't be classified as pressure cookers. Ball played across the ball and the level of scrutiny wasn't nearly as harsh as it would've been if he went to UCLA. There will always be question marks. There will always be players who are overrated and underrated. Picks still have value and it's too early to start cashing them in before there is a clear understanding of how things will be impacted in the future.

Unless crowds are welcomed back a lot sooner, you will see players who have gone from college to the pros, playing for a handful of spectators, at a time. Im sure you've been to MSG plenty of times. Remember the deafening sound of the crowd, as you walked into the arena?

We are going to have NBA vets who have never experienced that. If we dont bring crowds back for a few years. How will these players handle a packed stadium? Easier to drain a jumper in a near empty arena. Thats why Id rather trade future picks, for a shot at players in the next couple of years, who have at least some experience dealing with 10-20k fans screaming in their ears.

For every NBA player out there, there are quite a few more who are just as skilled, but cant deliver
in the pressure cooker environmemt of a packed arena. We wont know who can and cant handle that added pressure for years.

Teams normallly draft with that question already answered. Those kids who made the jump from high school, were considered more talented than the average draft pick. Advanced student, if you will. Not all college players are that good.

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The kids in HS now, who will be playing in college. How many games will they actually play in HS? College, with Covid in mind? Will it be in an empty stadium, gym? With much less pressure? We're in uncharted territory here.

This draft has prospects who have played in front of large crowds. Who knows what the future holds for the players who follow them, over the next few years? Unless they're from another country.

Wouldnt mind Rose trading future picks for a shot at a real game changer, with a pre-covid resume.
This draft or the next.

You usually speak intelligently. Why would anyone trade "up" in a draft where its a total crap-shoot? Honestly.

If you listen to Hahn, he's good with trading OUT for anyone who looks like a starter.

You're right, I usually speak intelligently...

All drafts are crap shoots. There are some players worth trading up for. If a deal is doable, good for the team, Rose should go for it. Future drafts are going to be even more of a crap shoot because of the "new normal".

I guess its hard to act based on what we predict the future will look like or how the college seasons will play out. Truth is we just do not know.
We could have a vaccine and this could quickly go away. I pray. Or you could be right and this is the norm for a long time.

But lets assume that things will continue as they are. If future drafts are going to have more risk, would it not be smarter to have more picks rather than less in order to mitigate that risk. I do see your point though. If future drafts are going to be riskier than why not trade them for a better chance at getting a sound pick this year. Problem for me is that I just do not see anyone in this years draft that has emphatically separated themselves from the rest of the top 15. Or that is a guaranteed generational talent. If you look at what some project the Knicks to draft, (Vassell, Okoro, Okongwu or Hayes), there can be a case made that they are not levels below Lamelo, Edwards or Wiseman. (As good as I think they are). I think Avdija has All Star potential, reminds me of Luca and is the only player I feel may be a franchise type player. However, I do not think it would be smart to give up a whole bunch of assets to take the risk he may not be. I feel the same about Edwards. He is the best in the draft but I would hate to see what we would have to give up in order to get him. And once again, he is not a sure thing and not a guarantee. I would actually like to trade down. As mentioned, a good way to mitigate uncertainty in the draft is by having multiple picks/chances at the so called crap shoot. And I think this is one of the most level drafts in quite some time. We just do not know for sure who is going to be great or who is going to be added to the long list of busts. This year's draft seems to have even more questions marks.

But fair enough. Your prediction is just as good as mine or any other "experts" out there. And hell, it's not like par for the course attitude has been working. Who would you trade our 8th for and what would you be willing to give up? As mentioned, I like Avdija. Would maybe trade up for him if we only had to give up our 8th. Frank or Dennis and a future 2nd.