Tbh, the more I see videos of thibs guard play, the more I see him liking DSJ over Frank. He likes attacking scoring point guards(rose, agustin and Robinson in Chicago and trading rubio then signing Teague in minny.

I think if we keep Frank he will be used more as a utility player and needs to become more consistent with his corner 3s in order to flourish under thibs.

One last thing, what I like about this unique off-season is players will be developed the way our staff sees their roles next year. It will be easier to plug them and see their development when the sesson rolls on. I remember watching a podcast of arenas and he said the problem with players, they go to the off-season and train a certain way and when they get back to training camp, they are used a different way.

Jimbo5 wrote:It seems like the knicks are not set on drafting a PG, there were reports saying that the FO is seriously look at Isaac Okoro, but looking at the recent mock drafts, Okoro might be gone when the knicks is time to pick. What if the knicks pick Okongwu.

How realistic and workable is it to build a team with 5 good defensive guys and 5 good offensive players?

Defensive 5

C- Mitch
PF- okongwu
SF- iggy
SG- RJ
PG- Frank

Offensive 5

C-
PF- Randle
SF- knox
SG-
PG- DSJ

If anywhere, Iggy should be on the Offensive 5 team

Chandler wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:It seems like the knicks are not set on drafting a PG, there were reports saying that the FO is seriously look at Isaac Okoro, but looking at the recent mock drafts, Okoro might be gone when the knicks is time to pick. What if the knicks pick Okongwu.

How realistic and workable is it to build a team with 5 good defensive guys and 5 good offensive players?

Defensive 5

C- Mitch
PF- okongwu
SF- iggy
SG- RJ
PG- Frank

Offensive 5

C-
PF- Randle
SF- knox
SG-
PG- DSJ

offensive is a bit of a double entendre here

haha

“Obviously, player development is critical,’’ Thibodeau said. “But also, you can’t lose sight of the team development. So it’s not only the challenge of the player bringing the best out of himself, but also how does he bring the best out of the team? And the team has to be very high. It’s got to be at the top of the checklist. Everyone has to sacrifice for the good of the team. Winning is the most important thing. That’s why you’re here.”

How do you develop players by tanking, the question i always pose to the FO

Two coaches that I admire greatly once said "you can NEVER EVER develop players in a losing environment" (Popovich, Belichick) because it takes much longer to get rid of bad habits then it is to learn winning habits.. When I look at Frank, Knox, Mitch, and DSJ, this is a perfect example.

If you think a couple of OTA's is going to change that

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Best thibs quote

“Obviously, player development is critical,’’ Thibodeau said. “But also, you can’t lose sight of the team development. So it’s not only the challenge of the player bringing the best out of himself, but also how does he bring the best out of the team? And the team has to be very high. It’s got to be at the top of the checklist. Everyone has to sacrifice for the good of the team. Winning is the most important thing. That’s why you’re here.”

How do you develop players by tanking, the question i always pose to the FO

Two coaches that I admire greatly once said "you can NEVER EVER develop players in a losing environment" (Popovich, Belichick) because it takes much longer to get rid of bad habits then it is to learn winning habits.. When I look at Frank, Knox, Mitch, and DSJ, this is a perfect example.

If you think a couple of OTA's is going to change that

There will be no gap year this year. They will make moves for Chris Paul or FVV, and possibly Gallinari. And if they win 35-40 games for the next couple of years, they will rely on drafting like Miami (Herro at 13 and Bam at 14) to build up their foundation of young building blocks.

So basically your saying the FO and coaching staff is only good enough to build a 35 to 40 win team.

What are you basing that on?

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Best thibs quote

“Obviously, player development is critical,’’ Thibodeau said. “But also, you can’t lose sight of the team development. So it’s not only the challenge of the player bringing the best out of himself, but also how does he bring the best out of the team? And the team has to be very high. It’s got to be at the top of the checklist. Everyone has to sacrifice for the good of the team. Winning is the most important thing. That’s why you’re here.”

How do you develop players by tanking, the question i always pose to the FO

Two coaches that I admire greatly once said "you can NEVER EVER develop players in a losing environment" (Popovich, Belichick) because it takes much longer to get rid of bad habits then it is to learn winning habits.. When I look at Frank, Knox, Mitch, and DSJ, this is a perfect example.

If you think a couple of OTA's is going to change that

There will be no gap year this year. They will make moves for Chris Paul or FVV, and possibly Gallinari. And if they win 35-40 games for the next couple of years, they will rely on drafting like Miami (Herro at 13 and Bam at 14) to build up their foundation of young building blocks.

So basically your saying the FO and coaching staff is only good enough to build a 35 to 40 win team.

What are you basing that on?

I'm just guessing we get better in the next couple of years (let's say 35 wins next year and 40 the following year) without knowing who will be on our team. I don't see us transforming to a 50 win team right away, again without knowing who's on the team. Without knowing anything about our roster over the next couple years, what's a reasonable projection for you? You don't think 35-40 wins is fair?

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Best thibs quote

“Obviously, player development is critical,’’ Thibodeau said. “But also, you can’t lose sight of the team development. So it’s not only the challenge of the player bringing the best out of himself, but also how does he bring the best out of the team? And the team has to be very high. It’s got to be at the top of the checklist. Everyone has to sacrifice for the good of the team. Winning is the most important thing. That’s why you’re here.”

How do you develop players by tanking, the question i always pose to the FO

Two coaches that I admire greatly once said "you can NEVER EVER develop players in a losing environment" (Popovich, Belichick) because it takes much longer to get rid of bad habits then it is to learn winning habits.. When I look at Frank, Knox, Mitch, and DSJ, this is a perfect example.

If you think a couple of OTA's is going to change that

There will be no gap year this year. They will make moves for Chris Paul or FVV, and possibly Gallinari. And if they win 35-40 games for the next couple of years, they will rely on drafting like Miami (Herro at 13 and Bam at 14) to build up their foundation of young building blocks.

So basically your saying the FO and coaching staff is only good enough to build a 35 to 40 win team.

What are you basing that on?

I'm just guessing we get better in the next couple of years (let's say 35 wins next year and 40 the following year) without knowing who will be on our team. I don't see us transforming to a 50 win team right away, again without knowing who's on the team. Without knowing anything about our roster over the next couple years, what's a reasonable projection for you? You don't think 35-40 wins is fair?

42-46 wins should be the target next season, especially with the flexibility the knicks have. If you want to saddle the roster with young players trying to figure it out, then expect to win 30/35 games, but that amounts to a possible 50 losses, not good for development as we have witness over and over

Lock on to 3 Quality building blocks, surround them with Veterans who want to win and take winning seriously every single game. Thats what good teams do, thats how good development works.

We have too many young players that have too many question marks and are just not that good, to add 3 more to the list in a weak ass draft..is that the route your suggesting?