No way he falls to 8. Maybe we agree to take on Love’s contract from the Cavs in exchange for the 5th pick

Philc1 wrote:This kid is legit. He would fit in perfectly at the 4 in between RJ and Mitch. Has a lot of confidence

No way he falls to 8. Maybe we agree to take on Love’s contract from the Cavs in exchange for the 5th pick

Do you think the Cavs would really hand over the 5th pick just to be rid of Love?

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Philc1 wrote:This kid is legit. He would fit in perfectly at the 4 in between RJ and Mitch. Has a lot of confidence

No way he falls to 8. Maybe we agree to take on Love’s contract from the Cavs in exchange for the 5th pick

What in your view makes him a better pick than Vassell or Nesmith?

He may be a better taller overall player. The one thing with Nesmith is that I believe he’s on Klay Thompson’s level as a shooter. So that’s really enticing to me. But this player should be good.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Philc1 wrote:This kid is legit. He would fit in perfectly at the 4 in between RJ and Mitch. Has a lot of confidence

No way he falls to 8. Maybe we agree to take on Love’s contract from the Cavs in exchange for the 5th pick

What in your view makes him a better pick than Vassell or Nesmith?

Bigger, more athletic. He’s a significantly better Gallinari. And I like Vassell and Nesmith

Philc1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Philc1 wrote:This kid is legit. He would fit in perfectly at the 4 in between RJ and Mitch. Has a lot of confidence

No way he falls to 8. Maybe we agree to take on Love’s contract from the Cavs in exchange for the 5th pick

What in your view makes him a better pick than Vassell or Nesmith?

He may be a better taller overall player. The one thing with Nesmith is that I believe he’s on Klay Thompson’s level as a shooter. So that’s really enticing to me. But this player should be good.

I’m not advocating a trade up. But if Cleveland gives us the 5th pick in exchange for taking on Love’s whale of a contract, the Clippers pick and one of the Mavericks picks it’s a no brainer

I agree with you on this. His skill level already seems be very nba ready with superstar potential. Definitely worth the gamble. Love would actually be a nice reliable stretch four for us, he is unselfish and can shoot the three.

PER GAME

Name__Height___Born___G____MP___FGA____FG%_____2P%____3PA___3P%____FTA____FT%___ORB___DRB__TRB___AST__STL__BLK__ TOV___PF___PTS

Avdija__ 6'7"___Jan01___26___14.3___3.6____43.6%___59.6%___1.8___27.7%___0.7___55.6%___0.6___2.0___2.6___1.2___0.4___0.2___0.7___2.0____4.0
Vassell__6'6"___Aug00__ 30___28.8___9.8____49.0%___53.2%___3.5___41.5%___2.2___73.8%___1.3___3.8___5.1___1.6___1.4___1.0___0.8___1.9___12.7
Nesmith_6'6"___Oct99___14___35.7__14.6____51.2%___50.0%___8.2___52.2%___4.5___82.5%___0.8___4.1___4.9___0.9___1.4___0.9___1.7___2.8___23.0

PER 36 MINUTES

Name__Height___Born___G____MP___FGA____FG%_____2P%____3PA___3P%____FTA____FT%___ORB___DRB__TRB___AST__STL__BLK__ TOV___PF___PTS

Avdija__ 6'7"___Jan01___26___36.0____9.1___43.6%___59.6%___4.5___27.7%___1.8___55.6%___1.5___5.0___6.5___3.0___1.0___0.5___1.8___5.0___10.1
Vassell__6'6"___Aug00__ 30___36.0___12.3___49.0%___53.2%___4.4___41.5%___2.8___73.8%___1.6___4.8___6.4___2.0___1.8___1.3___1.0___2.4___15.9
Nesmith_6'6"___Oct99___14___36.0___14.7___51.2%___50.0%___8.3___52.2%___4.5___82.5%___0.8___4.1___4.9___0.9___1.4___0.9___1.7___2.8___23.2

ESOMKnicks wrote:I just do not see it. On per 36 comparison, Deni only has an edge over Vassell in assists, and he is only 6 months younger. Vassell is a better shooter, scorer and defender. Rebounds are similar. The height difference of only 1 inch may be easily negated by wingspan. No way I would give up assets to get Deni over Vassell or Nesmith.

PER GAME

Name__Height___Born___G____MP___FGA____FG%_____2P%____3PA___3P%____FTA____FT%___ORB___DRB__TRB___AST__STL__BLK__ TOV___PF___PTS

Avdija__ 6'7"___Jan01___26___14.3___3.6____43.6%___59.6%___1.8___27.7%___0.7___55.6%___0.6___2.0___2.6___1.2___0.4___0.2___0.7___2.0____4.0
Vassell__6'6"___Aug00__ 30___28.8___9.8____49.0%___53.2%___3.5___41.5%___2.2___73.8%___1.3___3.8___5.1___1.6___1.4___1.0___0.8___1.9___12.7
Nesmith_6'6"___Oct99___14___35.7__14.6____51.2%___50.0%___8.2___52.2%___4.5___82.5%___0.8___4.1___4.9___0.9___1.4___0.9___1.7___2.8___23.0

PER 36 MINUTES

Name__Height___Born___G____MP___FGA____FG%_____2P%____3PA___3P%____FTA____FT%___ORB___DRB__TRB___AST__STL__BLK__ TOV___PF___PTS

Avdija__ 6'7"___Jan01___26___36.0____9.1___43.6%___59.6%___4.5___27.7%___1.8___55.6%___1.5___5.0___6.5___3.0___1.0___0.5___1.8___5.0___10.1
Vassell__6'6"___Aug00__ 30___36.0___12.3___49.0%___53.2%___4.4___41.5%___2.8___73.8%___1.6___4.8___6.4___2.0___1.8___1.3___1.0___2.4___15.9
Nesmith_6'6"___Oct99___14___36.0___14.7___51.2%___50.0%___8.3___52.2%___4.5___82.5%___0.8___4.1___4.9___0.9___1.4___0.9___1.7___2.8___23.2

You can't compare those stats. Apples to oranges. Different leagues, different roles etc. I agree that Cassell is a better defender and spot shooter. I won't say he's a better a scorer becaus he's not as good inside, mid-range or creating as Deni. Vassell can't create right now and there are questions about his ability as an on-ball defender. He's more Tayshaun Prince than he is Ron Artest defensively.

Also, I think those shooting stats don't take into account Demi's shooting improvements post lockdown. His free throw shooting still needs work, but you can see he's making improvements on the three. He ended the season at around 33-34%.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2020/07/07/deni-avdijas-improved-shooting-could-land-him-on-the-golden-state-warriors/

Up until early January across 28 games in the Israeli league and EuroLeague combined, Avdija had only made more than one three-pointer in a game once, and that was in the second game of the season. Overall he shot 12-46, just 26% on just 1.6 attempts per game.

Since January 9th across 24 games, Avdija has made more than one three in 13 games, including in all 5 games since the Israeli league has returned. In total, across that span, Avdija has made 42-102 threes, a shade over 41%. That’s a very respectable mark on 4.25 attempts per game.

That is a big enough sample size to see the improvement in Avdija’s game. The free throw shooting is still a worry, especially given that is often viewed as a reliable precursor to shooting percentages in the NBA. But for a young player to show this level of improvement across the season while playing in a professional setting against grown men, including in the world’s second-best club competition, is encouraging.