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Philc1
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9/20/2020  8:27 PM
The two local nfl teams might not win 4 games combined
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9/20/2020  8:35 PM
Both teams are going to be competing for the best GMs and coaches at the end of the year, at this rate.
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9/20/2020  8:58 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Both teams are going to be competing for the best GMs and coaches at the end of the year, at this rate.

Nobody good wants to work for the Johnsons. They are becoming worse than Dolan if such a thing is possible
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9/20/2020  9:05 PM
Giants made a run and even came close. Jones is mistake prone but has a lot to like still -- we'll see.

Jets are horrid.
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9/20/2020  10:20 PM
Gase is Rich Kotite all over again. Don’t understand why we didn’t pick up an edge rusher. On offense there is no one you have to game plan for. ☹️
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JesseDark wrote:Gase is Rich Kotite all over again. Don’t understand why we didn’t pick up an edge rusher. On offense there is no one you have to game plan for. ☹️

The Johnsons love Gase
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KnickDanger wrote:Giants made a run and even came close. Jones is mistake prone but has a lot to like still -- we'll see.

Barkley out for the season. Judge better hope Danny Dime's not next. Gints are going to specialize in competitive losing.

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are they though? Jets, Giants, Mets, Knicks - all are clusters of poo. At least with Cohen, the Mets have a chance. I like that the news is they are potentially after Cashman.

I don't know that we have the same thing with our Leon Rose and crew.

If I were Dolan, I'd offer part ownership to Popovich & Buford, just like Miami has done with Riley.

What exactly has Rose done to create a winning franchise? We have yet to see the impact of any of his moves.

Certainly fingers crossed, but not sure that we are better off than the Jets and Giants.

Jets for sure, but they are such a sad franchise.
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9/22/2020  9:47 AM
The Mets passed their magical window with their young starting pitchers. It was fantastic that they had a bunch of excellent pitchers come up (cheap) at the same time. They even made the World Series and the playoffs. But they had significant injury setbacks - Wheeler, Harvey, Cespedes, and just about every reliever on the team. And their old patch up hitters just got old.

Now they're in a new phase - the Mets have quietly become one of the top hitting teams and have a very young productive lineup. They hit jackpot on a number of young position players, but the pitching is decidedly patchwork at the moment. Stroman's calf injury really set the team back. (the Cano/Diaz trade was probably not necessary - the Mets didn't realize they already had a 2B of the future in McNeil and could have had more prospects in the pipeline)

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9/22/2020  12:03 PM
Sorry to hear about Saquan. That sucks.

My Bucs are 1-1, wont know how far we can go with Brady until we start beating contenders. O-line did a good job last week. Will have to keep it up. Fournette was a steal.
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9/22/2020  12:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/22/2020  12:21 PM
Knicks are in better shape because they are further along in the process. Giants are in the same spot the Knicks were when KP torn his ACL. They are basically starting over from ground zero and will need some time to reboot the rebuild as we did. The Jets are in year one of the rebuild after trading away their best player for a bunch of picks, like we did last year. We are basically in year 2 of a rebuild. Although the front office and coach are different, this is year 2 of the rebuild because part of the core has been established and the years of multiple first round picks is beginning now, so my assumption is the rebuild will now be expedited. So I equate the Knicks being in better shape than both NFL teams simply because they are further along in the process with the opportunity to be better sooner.
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9/22/2020  1:25 PM
Barkley is a fine running back but I still question the wisdom of picking him #2 overall in terms of value. He has not been heads and shoulders above other running backs. Jones I am still quite hopeful for however.

Mets offense kicks in when their great pitching hits the skids. Same ol' Metsies.
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KnickDanger wrote:Barkley is a fine running back but I still question the wisdom of picking him #2 overall in terms of value. He has not been heads and shoulders above other running backs. Jones I am still quite hopeful for however.

Mets offense kicks in when their great pitching hits the skids. Same ol' Metsies.

I was looking at who the Giants could have picked if not Saquan. The only player I would pick is Quentin Nelson. Can't pick a guard the number 2 pick. No thank to Sam darnold either. Allen or Rosen? Nope...I think the Jints had no choice but Saquan
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9/22/2020  1:34 PM
I think the Giants are still in play. Their OL is getting better. The DL is a strength. We finally have a middle linebacker in Martinez. Bradberry is a godsend. We need a CB2 and a S. Mckinney injury was tough. We also have a problem with TE. Engram is killing me.
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NYKBocker wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Barkley is a fine running back but I still question the wisdom of picking him #2 overall in terms of value. He has not been heads and shoulders above other running backs. Jones I am still quite hopeful for however.

Mets offense kicks in when their great pitching hits the skids. Same ol' Metsies.

I was looking at who the Giants could have picked if not Saquan. The only player I would pick is Quentin Nelson. Can't pick a guard the number 2 pick. No thank to Sam darnold either. Allen or Rosen? Nope...I think the Jints had no choice but Saquan

Very good point. I guess you could argue they could have traded down for more assets at the time. But that's hindsight...Barkley is certainly talented. And personally I prefer Jones to the quarterbacks of that draft.
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franco12 wrote:are they though? Jets, Giants, Mets, Knicks - all are clusters of poo. At least with Cohen, the Mets have a chance. I like that the news is they are potentially after Cashman.

I don't know that we have the same thing with our Leon Rose and crew.

If I were Dolan, I'd offer part ownership to Popovich & Buford, just like Miami has done with Riley.

What exactly has Rose done to create a winning franchise? We have yet to see the impact of any of his moves.

Certainly fingers crossed, but not sure that we are better off than the Jets and Giants.

Jets for sure, but they are such a sad franchise.

Not news, it was a stated opinion that Mets should go after him.
Knicks are part of a public corporation. Dolan is chairman. He does not own the knicks, he controls the board and is its managing partner. One and the same but not for him to give ownership. Anyone one of us can be part owners. Riles got a sweet deal and something that we could not offer him at the time. Not to say we should have let him go. Pop is a good dude. So was PHil Jax. Buford is now like president of the entertainment group that owns the Spurs. Not sure what his deal is.

Steve Cohen might be worst than any of them. WE just don’t know. New does not mean better. Pray for Leon!!!
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9/23/2020  12:37 AM
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:are they though? Jets, Giants, Mets, Knicks - all are clusters of poo. At least with Cohen, the Mets have a chance. I like that the news is they are potentially after Cashman.

I don't know that we have the same thing with our Leon Rose and crew.

If I were Dolan, I'd offer part ownership to Popovich & Buford, just like Miami has done with Riley.

What exactly has Rose done to create a winning franchise? We have yet to see the impact of any of his moves.

Certainly fingers crossed, but not sure that we are better off than the Jets and Giants.

Jets for sure, but they are such a sad franchise.

Not news, it was a stated opinion that Mets should go after him.
Knicks are part of a public corporation. Dolan is chairman. He does not own the knicks, he controls the board and is its managing partner. One and the same but not for him to give ownership. Anyone one of us can be part owners. Riles got a sweet deal and something that we could not offer him at the time. Not to say we should have let him go. Pop is a good dude. So was PHil Jax. Buford is now like president of the entertainment group that owns the Spurs. Not sure what his deal is.

Steve Cohen might be worst than any of them. WE just don’t know. New does not mean better. Pray for Leon!!!


Dolan could offer ownership. It would not dilute the value of other shareholders, in fact, just the opposite- value would triple at least. Same way a company grants stock options. I’m not talking huge percentage- what does Riley have? Have I read 5%?
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franco12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:are they though? Jets, Giants, Mets, Knicks - all are clusters of poo. At least with Cohen, the Mets have a chance. I like that the news is they are potentially after Cashman.

I don't know that we have the same thing with our Leon Rose and crew.

If I were Dolan, I'd offer part ownership to Popovich & Buford, just like Miami has done with Riley.

What exactly has Rose done to create a winning franchise? We have yet to see the impact of any of his moves.

Certainly fingers crossed, but not sure that we are better off than the Jets and Giants.

Jets for sure, but they are such a sad franchise.

Not news, it was a stated opinion that Mets should go after him.
Knicks are part of a public corporation. Dolan is chairman. He does not own the knicks, he controls the board and is its managing partner. One and the same but not for him to give ownership. Anyone one of us can be part owners. Riles got a sweet deal and something that we could not offer him at the time. Not to say we should have let him go. Pop is a good dude. So was PHil Jax. Buford is now like president of the entertainment group that owns the Spurs. Not sure what his deal is.

Steve Cohen might be worst than any of them. WE just don’t know. New does not mean better. Pray for Leon!!!


Dolan could offer ownership. It would not dilute the value of other shareholders, in fact, just the opposite- value would triple at least. Same way a company grants stock options. I’m not talking huge percentage- what does Riley have? Have I read 5%?

Yes, I suppose he could offer shares as part of his compensation.
If Knicks are worth 4billion, then thats $200 million. Not sure even Riley understood over 25 years how it would grow. Thought I read he sold some or all of his shares a few years back. Never the less its not a plan that other teams followed or the league has been too keen on. IT can get very complicated for many reasons.
Not may teams have followed that model. Good reasons.
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9/23/2020  8:02 AM
Philc1 wrote:The two local nfl teams might not win 4 games combined

eh.....they are pretty much in the same boat. they are all rebuilding so their window won't open for a couple of years yet. jets i thought would be a little better but darnoud is not looking that great and their defense is a lot worst than last year. giants just cant catch a break really but gettleman didn't help much by refusing to get a proven edge rusher and going with just golden. all these teams are running stagnant in garbage. they all have young players that they think will be a big part of the future. knicks are still figuring out if barrett and robinson will be excellent players just like the giants and jets are figuring out about jones and darnoud.
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NYKBocker wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Barkley is a fine running back but I still question the wisdom of picking him #2 overall in terms of value. He has not been heads and shoulders above other running backs. Jones I am still quite hopeful for however.

Mets offense kicks in when their great pitching hits the skids. Same ol' Metsies.

I was looking at who the Giants could have picked if not Saquan. The only player I would pick is Quentin Nelson. Can't pick a guard the number 2 pick. No thank to Sam darnold either. Allen or Rosen? Nope...I think the Jints had no choice but Saquan

Very good point. I guess you could argue they could have traded down for more assets at the time. But that's hindsight...Barkley is certainly talented. And personally I prefer Jones to the quarterbacks of that draft.

um, lamar jackson?!
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