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Bonn1997
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10/16/2004  4:17 PM
If Ariza can play backup 2 and JYD backup 3 (and we have more insurance once Houston returns), how about offering Penny for Jamal Mashburn and Chris Anderson (or you could try Penny for Jamal and N.O.'s 2005 1st rd pick). The salaries don't quite match, though. More players or a 3rd team would have to be involved. The Knicks look very strong and deep 1 to 4 but 5 is clearly the weakest area.
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10/16/2004  4:20 PM
IDK if I like the idea of Mashburn taking up a roster spot for us, but maybe mid way through the season, or next year, if we can find a team looking to cut costs, I would definately be willing to part with Penny.
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10/16/2004  4:57 PM
I don't think NO is willing to part with Monster Mash just yet. He will probably never be the same again and will be another over-the-hill (pardon the use of the word Hill ) but NO wants to get the most out of him - which means waiting to see if he has a successful comeback next year.
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10/16/2004  5:01 PM
The whole purpose of the trade is to get a C. Mashburn is irrelevant other than that we're helping out N.O. by giving them a player whose career isn't over (Penny) in exchange for one whose is (Jamal). They help us out by giving us a decent center who can block shots and run the break with our team (CA). He would only be their backup or maybe even backup backup anyway (since 6'11" Brown can play backup center minutes if they make this trade).

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10/16/2004 17:02:48]
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10/16/2004  6:05 PM
Not a bad idea. Penny probably isn't a neccessary piece for our team.
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10/16/2004  7:22 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The whole purpose of the trade is to get a C. Mashburn is irrelevant other than that we're helping out N.O. by giving them a player whose career isn't over (Penny) in exchange for one whose is (Jamal). They help us out by giving us a decent center who can block shots and run the break with our team (CA). He would only be their backup or maybe even backup backup anyway (since 6'11" Brown can play backup center minutes if they make this trade).

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10/16/2004 17:02:48]
NO I meant that in my opinion new orleans wouldn't do that trade because they probably want to take the chance and wait a year to see if mash can get some of his old form back. He was a 22 ppg several rebound all around player for them whenever he wasn't injured and always hit the clutch shot to help the hornets out. And the 1st round pick definitely wouldn't work IMO.
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10/16/2004  7:58 PM
doesnt penny's contract come off next year, so why not bundle him with tim to get someone, i mean expiring contracts are all the rages these days.
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10/16/2004  8:20 PM
Posted by mintyfreshness33:

doesnt penny's contract come off next year, so why not bundle him with tim to get someone, i mean expiring contracts are all the rages these days.
We have so many expiring contracts next year that we can afford to trade one of them now if it means upgrading the team with a good young player. Mashburn's expires only 12 months after Penny's does anyway.
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10/17/2004  10:45 AM
Would never trade Penney for spare parts(Jamal Mashed up). MAshed up is done.. He'll eventually retire due to lingering injuries on his knee..

Penney right now is a valuable asset because of his expiring contract. Keep Watching!!! Zeke will somehow unload him for an intriging piece that will move us even closer to a championship..
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10/17/2004  11:28 AM
Dude, Mashburn is not the main part of the trade. Chris Anderson is, b/c we are in much need of an athletic shot blocking center. Isiah should have made an attempt at him this Summer, but didn't.

Unfortunately, I think he might be out of Zeke's radar.
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10/17/2004  11:58 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Dude, Mashburn is not the main part of the trade. Chris Anderson is, b/c we are in much need of an athletic shot blocking center. Isiah should have made an attempt at him this Summer, but didn't.

Unfortunately, I think he might be out of Zeke's radar.

I rather Nazr in the middle because of his strength and size(6'10, 255) compared to Anderson(220 6'10) who really is a forward.

Bro, How would it look seeing Anderson in the middle @ 220pds vs SHAQ @330pds or even him against Ben Wallace?? DOn't think so.. HE's too thin to be patroling the middle against these centers ..
Don't worry about getting someone in the middle for next yr. Zeke definitely have eyes Eddy Curry who becomes a free-agent after the season.

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 10/17/2004 12:05:26]
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10/17/2004  12:25 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Dude, Mashburn is not the main part of the trade. Chris Anderson is, b/c we are in much need of an athletic shot blocking center. Isiah should have made an attempt at him this Summer, but didn't.

Unfortunately, I think he might be out of Zeke's radar.

I rather Nazr in the middle because of his strength and size(6'10, 255) compared to Anderson(220 6'10) who really is a forward.

Bro, How would it look seeing Anderson in the middle @ 220pds vs SHAQ @330pds or even him against Ben Wallace?? DOn't think so.. HE's too thin to be patroling the middle against these centers ..
Don't worry about getting someone in the middle for next yr. Zeke definitely have eyes Eddy Curry who becomes a free-agent after the season.

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 10/17/2004 12:05:26]
Anderson's a backup center. Obviously you're not going to have him guarding Shaq for significant minutes. Under some circumstances, though, he can provide us with crucial athleticism and shot blocking from the center position.

The question is not, "Do you want CA guarding Shaq?" The question is, "Who can fill a bigger need for our team: Penny Hardaway or Chris Anderson?"


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10/17/2004 12:28:24]
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10/17/2004  12:26 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Unfortunately, I think he might be out of Zeke's radar.
You might be right; I thought (based on all the rumors at least) that at one point Isiah was interested in CA. I guess he lost interest, though.
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10/17/2004  4:25 PM
Mash will likely stay on the IR.

That means Insurance will pick up 80% of his contract.

I don't see a need for NO to have penny.
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10/17/2004  4:33 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Dude, Mashburn is not the main part of the trade. Chris Anderson is, b/c we are in much need of an athletic shot blocking center. Isiah should have made an attempt at him this Summer, but didn't.

Unfortunately, I think he might be out of Zeke's radar.

I rather Nazr in the middle because of his strength and size(6'10, 255) compared to Anderson(220 6'10) who really is a forward.

Bro, How would it look seeing Anderson in the middle @ 220pds vs SHAQ @330pds or even him against Ben Wallace?? DOn't think so.. HE's too thin to be patroling the middle against these centers ..
Don't worry about getting someone in the middle for next yr. Zeke definitely have eyes Eddy Curry who becomes a free-agent after the season.

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 10/17/2004 12:05:26]

We all also thought that Marcus Camby wouldn't have been able to guard Antonio and Dale Davis back in '99, but he was the MVP in that series.

First off, nobody can guard Shaq.

2, like Bonn said, he wont be guarding Shaq for significant minutes.

3- Why are you worried if he guards Ben Wallace, if he isn't a good offensive player in the first place.

4- Anderson is a poor mans Camby. He patrols the paint and blocks shots on the help defense. That's EXACTLY what we need. That's why I wanted Camby AND maybe Anderson in the offseason, but we got neither.

5- We are gonna have to look foward to the draft, in order to get a shot blocker, particularly on the help defense.
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10/17/2004  4:33 PM
I remember when we used to have the trade K.T threads. Someone (And I'm not saying any names) actually wanted to trade K.T for Ron Artest. If we would've done that then we would be all *messed* up (you can only imagine the other word I wanted to use). I say we be cool with the trades for now because we are not that bad off. We must not settle though as well, but we should wait for bigger or better names to surface.

I would like to see some Wilcox proposals though.

[Edited by - Bizzy211 on 10/17/2004 16:38:48]
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10/17/2004  5:23 PM
Posted by Bizzy211:

I remember when we used to have the trade K.T threads. Someone (And I'm not saying any names) actually wanted to trade K.T for Ron Artest. If we would've done that then we would be all *messed* up (you can only imagine the other word I wanted to use). I say we be cool with the trades for now because we are not that bad off. We must not settle though as well, but we should wait for bigger or better names to surface.

I would like to see some Wilcox proposals though.

[Edited by - Bizzy211 on 10/17/2004 16:38:48]
Kurt's under-rated, but you'd have to be insane not to trade him for Artest.
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10/17/2004  5:27 PM
Zeke will get a shot blocker somewhere @ some time.

Im not sweatin' it.. By next next , the front court of the knicks will have improved tremendously..

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10/17/2004  5:33 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bizzy211:

I remember when we used to have the trade K.T threads. Someone (And I'm not saying any names) actually wanted to trade K.T for Ron Artest. If we would've done that then we would be all *messed* up (you can only imagine the other word I wanted to use). I say we be cool with the trades for now because we are not that bad off. We must not settle though as well, but we should wait for bigger or better names to surface.

I would like to see some Wilcox proposals though.

[Edited by - Bizzy211 on 10/17/2004 16:38:48]
Kurt's under-rated, but you'd have to be insane not to trade him for Artest.

The only time I would trade K.T (mind you I am already considering the fact that we have Trevor Ariza and Tim Thomas) for Ron Artest would be if it was for a 3-way trade that would land us a decent athletic Big who can shoot from 15ft as well. If not, then please explain to me what is the point?
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10/17/2004  5:39 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Dude, Mashburn is not the main part of the trade. Chris Anderson is, b/c we are in much need of an athletic shot blocking center. Isiah should have made an attempt at him this Summer, but didn't.

Unfortunately, I think he might be out of Zeke's radar.

I rather Nazr in the middle because of his strength and size(6'10, 255) compared to Anderson(220 6'10) who really is a forward.

Bro, How would it look seeing Anderson in the middle @ 220pds vs SHAQ @330pds or even him against Ben Wallace?? DOn't think so.. HE's too thin to be patroling the middle against these centers ..
Don't worry about getting someone in the middle for next yr. Zeke definitely have eyes Eddy Curry who becomes a free-agent after the season.

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 10/17/2004 12:05:26]

We all also thought that Marcus Camby wouldn't have been able to guard Antonio and Dale Davis back in '99, but he was the MVP in that series.
What happened to Camby after that?? Can't base a performance on just one series.

First off, nobody can guard Shaq.
We know nobody can't guard Shaq but i rather take my chances with NAZR, Thomas and Baker in the middle of the game instead of this dude.
2, like Bonn said, he wont be guarding Shaq for significant minutes.

3- Why are you worried if he guards Ben Wallace, if he isn't a good offensive player in the first place. BROther, don't sleep on Wallace.
When he gets the opportunity, he can be quite effective on the offensive end..

4- Anderson is a poor mans Camby. He patrols the paint and blocks shots on the help defense. That's EXACTLY what we need. That's why I wanted Camby AND maybe Anderson in the offseason, but we got neither.
YEAH then after two weeks, they'll get injured... Injury Prone Players: For Camby thats a definite..

5- We are gonna have to look foward to the draft, in order to get a shot blocker, particularly on the help defense. WHEN??? doesn't we have a 1st round pick in 2005.
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