Part of me is concerned that we're posturing to make a monumentally boneheaded decision that costs serious draft capital to facilitate....if it's true. The other, more optimistic side, makes me wonder if it's part of a larger play. And if so, for what?

NardDogNation wrote:I've heard a number of less-than-reputable sites discuss the possibility. I'd ordinarily brush them aside but the frequency it is recurring makes me wonder if these are legit discussions. I could understand the rationale from our perspective but don't quite see the incentive for the Jazz, who I think would benefit far more from having a saavy vet like Conley come playoff time. So what could be Utah's motivations if this is true? Part of me is concerned that we're posturing to make a monumentally boneheaded decision that costs serious draft capital to facilitate....if it's true.

Prob not

NardDogNation wrote:I've heard a number of less-than-reputable sites discuss the possibility. I'd ordinarily brush them aside but the frequency it is recurring makes me wonder if these are legit discussions. I could understand the rationale from our perspective but don't quite see the incentive for the Jazz, who I think would benefit far more from having a saavy vet like Conley come playoff time. So what could be Utah's motivations if this is true?

Part of me is concerned that we're posturing to make a monumentally boneheaded decision that costs serious draft capital to facilitate....if it's true. The other, more optimistic side, makes me wonder if it's part of a larger play. And if so, for what?

NYKBocker wrote:If they send a 1st rounder to go along with Conley then Leon has to make that deal. Conley is a 1 year contract. We can absorb it and get more assets.

I doubt its a Conley plus picks for Randle discussion. Forgotten here is that the new salary cap calculations will apply to the Knicks too. In other words, our cap space will shrink as well. Now we *can* probably absorb Conley's contract (about the additional size of another Randle contract) OR, more likely IMO, trade some smaller contracts in addition to Randle to preserve some cap space for FA signings.

What makes Conley particularly interesting is that he's a bit of a junkyard dog whose roots extend back to those Memphis mofo teams. He fits the profile of a Thibs player AND a 90's Knicks player. Assuming he's healthy, a nice fit.

So Randle, Payton, and say Knox with a swap of their 23rd for our thirty eighth and Conley might have legs. Opens up some roster space for the Knicks and gives us a mid-first round pick instead of a second-rounder AND preserves some cap space. Utah gets some useful more inexpensive options.

Memphis will receive a package that includes Grayson Allen, Jae Crowder, Kyle Korver and two first-round picks, including the No. 23 overall selection in Thursday's draft, per Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN. The second pick will convey in the late lottery in 2020 or 2021 or become "lightly protected" in future years, per Wojnarowski.

I’m not so sure Utah is ready to dump conley after what they paid. Other than financial going 7 games with Denver after a good season was not so awful.

Nalod wrote:What is a rumor or what is a scenario presented by a media personality and then reconstituted as a “Rumor” as Blog regurgitates as content is really not available. Think about, beat writers speak to “Insiders” and blogs just work off that. The term “Insider” is used a the only way to lend any cred if any exists.
I’m sure ever team discusses every player on every roster. To then say “Team discussions” are not entirely false but on the other hand not exactly proportional.

This.

Not to mention we are talking bout NY sports. Click bait origin capital of the world.

I know most on here don't like Randle and think he is/was our problem in costing us a chip but I happen to think he can be a good addition to a solid roster. Which btw, we did not have last year. Does he need to improve? Of course. Which 25 year old doesn't? However, the kid showed he is very skilled and a elite scorer. Hope the far fetched rumors are wrong. Also hoping we get Morris back. Probably the one 2 players that showed elite play last year.

smackeddog wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Although just a BS rumor from an internet blog, does point to how the NY media, some fans and Kncik incompetent management in the past would back the idea of trading a 25 year old playing and showing the ability to break out over a 32 name who has an inflated contract and his best ball is behind him. This will be a big test to see if the new management will continue to make the same mistakes our previous knee jerk FO's have done.

I know most on here don't like Randle and think he is/was our problem in costing us a chip but I happen to think he can be a good addition to a solid roster. Which btw, we did not have last year. Does he need to improve? Of course. Which 25 year old doesn't? However, the kid showed he is very skilled and a elite scorer. Hope the far fetched rumors are wrong. Also hoping we get Morris back. Probably the one 2 players that showed elite play last year.

If you‘re building round Mitch, Frank and RJ, how can you play Randle? This isn’t about Conley being a name, its about getting rid of Randle so you make space For a PF who doesn’t hog the ball and can shoot and space the floor. Randle can be an effective player, he just doesn’t fit here. Unless you want to build round him, in which case, good luck! Conley gives you an expiring contract and a stopgap PG (which we desperately need) who can mentor a younger PG if we draft one.

I’d be happy having Morris at PF, but I don’t understand how you watched last season and still think Morris at SF and Randle at PF, with Mitch at C and RJ at SG works- genuinely baffling.

You are mostly correct. The problem the Knicks are attempting to solve is to move Randle with the least amount of damage. The 'given' part of the equation is that the Knicks will either have to swallow a poison pill contract OR part with valuable additional assets or some combination of both.

Conley happens to fall into the poison pill contract BUT he still has value as you describe.

Hofstra represents the eternal school of hope whose icons include DSJ, Randle, and probably a few others. After two decades of mediocrity that's hard to subscribe to.