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TheGame
Posts: 26632 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/15/2006 Member: #1154 USA |
9/1/2020 9:08 AM
I agree that we should not reach for a pg. I am not convinced that Haliburton or Hayes are better than Frank and even if they are, they don’t look significantly better. I would rather fill another need at the wing with a 3 and D player like Vassell or Okoro. Or take a chance on Nesmith as an upgrade in Ellington.
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shinmen
Posts: 20363 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/7/2015 Member: #6029 France |
9/1/2020 9:28 AM
Actually, I would keep him even if he doesn't make huge improvements on the offense end. I'd sign for a relatively cheap contract but I would keep him.
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stanleybostitch
Posts: 20731 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/7/2006 Member: #1071 |
9/1/2020 9:40 AM
100%. Frank and Mitch and RJ are the core. Trading any of them away with very few exceptions would be as ill-advised as a John Starks last minute three.
The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42797 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
9/1/2020 9:44 AM
As I said in another thread. If Frank is still here next season, and playing like he did before the lockdown. I hope they extend him. But if Rose gets a great offer, I wouldnt pass on it either. We still dont know if Frank has really turned the corner. We've been teased before.
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
9/1/2020 9:47 AM
Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy.
He's already gotten 3 coaches fired and didn't do much for the interim coach to get retained..New regime, New roster, New culture if you really talking about rebuilding ES
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30117 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
9/1/2020 9:54 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy. Your high usage ball handler. Which can be anything from PG-PF given the makeup of his abilities has to be one of the best. It doesn’t have to come from the PG position. But the PG still has to be a scoring threat just like everyone else. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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martin
Posts: 76208 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
9/1/2020 10:04 AM
shinmen wrote:Actually, I would keep him even if he doesn't make huge improvements on the offense end. I'd sign for a relatively cheap contract but I would keep him. So this is the crux of it all. Frank will make $6M next year and his Qualifying Offer is $8M for 2021-22. I don't know when QO's have to be made but that's the range. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
9/1/2020 10:07 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy. Frank got 3 coaches fired? Come on dude. I actually agree with a good number of things you say and think certain posters get on you a bit much.... but this is ridiculous. Horny was done after Franks first year. Fizdale just sucked and by the time Miller was around, the team actually played slightly better. By the time Rose was hired, I think his mind was made up about Thibs. Don’t spew garbage. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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martin
Posts: 76208 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
9/1/2020 10:11 AM
You never know what came of training camp last year but Frank was coming off of that FIVB tourney and feeling good.
And then Fiz sits both Frank and DSJr over Trier and Elfrid to start the season. Worst decisions ever Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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fitzfarm
Posts: 25165 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
9/1/2020 10:15 AM
There was a twitter post by daily knicks that showed franks defensive impact vs the mavs it was eye opening WOW. I also saw a beefed up frank from this offseason, frank has the ability to over match his opponent on each end of the floor at 22 college grad age you don’t trade that potential. I see a lot of Pippen in Frank.
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
9/1/2020 10:17 AM
As for what I think.... I would like to see Frank be given the keys for the season. Let him be the leader of the squad. I don’t want there to be another PG competition. It doesn’t work. There is zero wrong with giving Frank confidence by announcing from the start- “Frank is the starting PG.”
Unless you 100% think that one of the PGs in the draft this year is a star (which I have my doubts about, as I did in the Lonzo Ball draft) then go for the BPA with the 8th pick. Frank is a vet now. Lets see how good he can be and how reliable he can be. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
9/1/2020 10:27 AM
As a matter of fact, I would even consider making him the captain of the team. Has he been good enough? NO but maybe this will be the spark that he and the team needs.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
9/1/2020 11:04 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy. I'm not saying he went to management and said it's either me or him, but his below average play contributed to the mountain of losses . The last time we were a good team, our PG's was good (kidd/felton)
He still has to out play DSJ and Harper for back up minutes, and deal with a coach who prefers fast, small, athletic guards who can get into the paint at will. ES
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houston20
Posts: 20484 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/18/2019 Member: #8797 |
9/1/2020 11:20 AM
The problem with frank is he doesn't score often or lot points all the time and in today nba you need a scoring point guard to keep the defense honest. There is going to come a point if score at least 10 points and 5 assist more often then is usally 6 points and 3 assist to be average point guard.
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Chandler
Posts: 26778 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
9/1/2020 11:34 AM
I think Thibs will do wonders for Frank and Mitch playing to their strengths and (hopefully) developing their weaknesses in practice etc
the mismanagement of both, particularly Frank, has been astounding. Hopefully we add some firepower in this draft and FA so frank can focus on smart play and great D If we had drafted Draymond Green we would have traded him by now because he can't shoot etc. same too with Deandre, Beverly, probably Kawhi in his early years etc If the guy plays winning basketball you keep him and find a role (5)(7)
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joec32033
Posts: 30609 Alba Posts: 37 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #583 USA |
9/1/2020 12:20 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:As a matter of fact, I would even consider making him the captain of the team. Has he been good enough? NO but maybe this will be the spark that he and the team needs. The post just above this one seemed like that was how you legit felt. Pairing it with this one, now I'm calling over the top sarcasm. ~You can't run from who you are.~
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smackeddog
Posts: 38389 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
9/1/2020 12:57 PM
If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it
 ), it gives me a lot of hope for Frank- you can play great defense, and make a huge impact, even if you can't shoot very well at all |
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
9/1/2020 1:13 PM
smackeddog wrote:If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it The difference is they have a leader and a veteran skilled pg/coach in CP, 2 scoring guards in Schroder and shai, Not to mention they don't have 3 other guards fighting for minutes, the guy Dort knows his role, the system has been established, the circumstances are way different. OKC doesn't need much offense from Dort, they can afford for him to go 0-9 because the other 3 guards had 20+ a piece. ES
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39873 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
9/1/2020 1:29 PM
smackeddog wrote:If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it Oh, about those playoffs... Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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Sucks. I seem to be saying that every time the NBA gets to this time of year