TheGame wrote:I don't wish bad on anyone, but now that his knee is torn, hopefully, he will miss most of next season and Dallas misses the playoffs. It is would be crazy if we ended up with two high lottery picks next season.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

TheGame wrote:I don't wish bad on anyone, but now that his knee is torn, hopefully, he will miss most of next season and Dallas misses the playoffs. It is would be crazy if we ended up with two high lottery picks next season.

Doubt he'll be out that long with a torn meniscus.

Depends on the injury. Believe it or not, my friend tore AND flipped his meniscus. He was never the same again.

KnickDanger wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

TheGame wrote:I don't wish bad on anyone, but now that his knee is torn, hopefully, he will miss most of next season and Dallas misses the playoffs. It is would be crazy if we ended up with two high lottery picks next season.

Doubt he'll be out that long with a torn meniscus.

Depends on the injury. Believe it or not, my friend tore AND flipped his meniscus. He was never the same again.

Yep. And not that I'm a world class athlete, but I'd been walking about with a torn meniscus for over 20 years before it got diagnosed. So yeah, it depends.

Normally if a player had a meniscus tear there might be a sense of relief that was all it was. The thing here is KP's overall inability to stay in play. This is just another episode.

I think it's more worrisome that this happened on the other knee just months after he was cleared. I'm not a doctor, but I'm guessing that the load management he was already under still wasn't sufficient. At his height and style of plus it's only going to get worse.

Second option is cutting away the torn part (if its small),

Third option is if its stitched up- longest recovery time (a few months) but probably best longer term outlook.

jrodmc wrote:I've had both knees done with option two, paring away the damaged part. It sucks and not only leads to worsened arthritis, but the knee's stability is never the same.
At 7'3, his lateral movement is going to be decreasing now even at this age.

Pity. Too bad Cuban's not going to manage to get that lightning-in-a-bottle chip again.

Still sucks for our draft pick, because Luka will drag them to the playoffs every year by his lonesome, anyway.

You would hope that by the time those picks come around we would already be a EC contender.

None of those picks were going to ever be as high as the (#4=KP) pick we gave up.

Thats why I could never be upset with KP, it's was like they traded a Porche for Honda just because the Porche wasn't running right and you couldn't figure out how to fix it, and to make matters worse, the Honda has its on set of problems and barely runs.

smackeddog wrote:From what I remember from Lin, it depends on the type and size of the tear and how it's repaired. Quickest recovery is if meniscus is removed entirely (if the dame is too extensive - very rare), however longer term prognosis is bad as after a few years it leads to arthritis.

Second option is cutting away the torn part (if its small),

Third option is if its stitched up- longest recovery time (a few months) but probably best longer term outlook.

So as an athlete you never remove meniscus entirely, I think you just read that wrong. No meniscus, no way you can do pro sports period.

Different types of injections you can do to help with torn meniscus, from cortisone for swelling to some sort of artificial padding (if meniscus is worn or just not there).

Either option #2 (2-4 weeks) or #3 (6-8 weeks) above would have most likely been end of season for KP unless they made finals or something like that.

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:From what I remember from Lin, it depends on the type and size of the tear and how it's repaired. Quickest recovery is if meniscus is removed entirely (if the dame is too extensive - very rare), however longer term prognosis is bad as after a few years it leads to arthritis.

Second option is cutting away the torn part (if its small),

Third option is if its stitched up- longest recovery time (a few months) but probably best longer term outlook.

So as an athlete you never remove meniscus entirely, I think you just read that wrong. No meniscus, no way you can do pro sports period.

Different types of injections you can do to help with torn meniscus, from cortisone for swelling to some sort of artificial padding (if meniscus is worn or just not there).

Either option #2 (2-4 weeks) or #3 (6-8 weeks) above would have most likely been end of season for KP unless they made finals or something like that.

You'd think, but believe it or not I think D-Wade had his meniscus removed:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/25/8105845/derrick-rose-injury-knee-surgery-bulls-meniscus-repaired-removed

Repairing the meniscus

This is the preferred option among younger players because it provides the best chance to elongate their careers. While the meniscus is not essential for living or even walking, having one sure helps deal with the day-to-day stress that comes with running, jumping and cutting for 82 games (plus playoffs, practices, workouts, summer hoops and more) a year. The meniscus acts as a cushion between knee bones; not having it puts more stress on the rest of a player's knee.

Repairing the meniscus is a difficult surgical process that takes time to heal. Should Rose elect to try to repair the meniscus, he will be out for the season and could be in jeopardy of missing the beginning of next season as well. That's how much time is needed for the tissue to reform. It certainly guarantees nothing -- Rose himself elected to repair the meniscus last time and look what happened -- but it provides the best chance for a long career.

That said, if the meniscus is already heavily damaged, repairing it is impossible using current technology. It's not clear yet if Rose's knee has reached that point.
Russell Westbrook is the other notable player to repair a torn meniscus recently. After a couple setbacks, he's back and better than ever.

Removing the meniscus
As noted earlier, menisci aren't essential for normal, everyday life. They actually degenerate over time; one reason we feel pain when we try to exercise as we get older is that there's less cushion in the knee to absorb pressure. Removing the meniscus only accelerates that process. It is done often when it is unrepairable due to repeated trauma or deterioration. What good is trying to fix knee tissue that is already heavily damaged?

Removing the meniscus entirely would actually give Rose the best chance of returning to the court soonest. Depending on the severity of this tear, he could return in six to eight weeks, allowing him to play in the postseason if he so desires. But it also comes with major long-term consequences: he will play in pain for the rest of his career and that career will be significantly shorter than it would have been if the repaired meniscus held up.

Dwyane Wade is a famous example of a player that removed his meniscus rather than repairing it. He did that in college at Marquette and said 11 years later that he regretted his decision.

"My knee problems and the things I've dealt with started from that," Wade said. "That was [11] years ago and technology was different and the way you approach things was different.

"At that moment, if everyone looked ahead and said, 'Dwyane's going to have a 20-year career, maybe we should do something different,' maybe I wouldn't have [knee issues]. At that time it was to get me back on the basketball court and do what is best."
Wade has ultimately put together a Hall of Fame career, but his knees have broken down over the past few years.

Wild that someone gave him that medical advice, and wild the career he managed to have despite it.

smackeddog wrote:

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:From what I remember from Lin, it depends on the type and size of the tear and how it's repaired. Quickest recovery is if meniscus is removed entirely (if the dame is too extensive - very rare), however longer term prognosis is bad as after a few years it leads to arthritis.

Second option is cutting away the torn part (if its small),

Third option is if its stitched up- longest recovery time (a few months) but probably best longer term outlook.

So as an athlete you never remove meniscus entirely, I think you just read that wrong. No meniscus, no way you can do pro sports period.

Different types of injections you can do to help with torn meniscus, from cortisone for swelling to some sort of artificial padding (if meniscus is worn or just not there).

Either option #2 (2-4 weeks) or #3 (6-8 weeks) above would have most likely been end of season for KP unless they made finals or something like that.

You'd think, but believe it or not I think D-Wade had his meniscus removed:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/25/8105845/derrick-rose-injury-knee-surgery-bulls-meniscus-repaired-removed

Repairing the meniscus

This is the preferred option among younger players because it provides the best chance to elongate their careers. While the meniscus is not essential for living or even walking, having one sure helps deal with the day-to-day stress that comes with running, jumping and cutting for 82 games (plus playoffs, practices, workouts, summer hoops and more) a year. The meniscus acts as a cushion between knee bones; not having it puts more stress on the rest of a player's knee.

Repairing the meniscus is a difficult surgical process that takes time to heal. Should Rose elect to try to repair the meniscus, he will be out for the season and could be in jeopardy of missing the beginning of next season as well. That's how much time is needed for the tissue to reform. It certainly guarantees nothing -- Rose himself elected to repair the meniscus last time and look what happened -- but it provides the best chance for a long career.

That said, if the meniscus is already heavily damaged, repairing it is impossible using current technology. It's not clear yet if Rose's knee has reached that point.
Russell Westbrook is the other notable player to repair a torn meniscus recently. After a couple setbacks, he's back and better than ever.

Removing the meniscus
As noted earlier, menisci aren't essential for normal, everyday life. They actually degenerate over time; one reason we feel pain when we try to exercise as we get older is that there's less cushion in the knee to absorb pressure. Removing the meniscus only accelerates that process. It is done often when it is unrepairable due to repeated trauma or deterioration. What good is trying to fix knee tissue that is already heavily damaged?

Removing the meniscus entirely would actually give Rose the best chance of returning to the court soonest. Depending on the severity of this tear, he could return in six to eight weeks, allowing him to play in the postseason if he so desires. But it also comes with major long-term consequences: he will play in pain for the rest of his career and that career will be significantly shorter than it would have been if the repaired meniscus held up.

Dwyane Wade is a famous example of a player that removed his meniscus rather than repairing it. He did that in college at Marquette and said 11 years later that he regretted his decision.

"My knee problems and the things I've dealt with started from that," Wade said. "That was [11] years ago and technology was different and the way you approach things was different.

"At that moment, if everyone looked ahead and said, 'Dwyane's going to have a 20-year career, maybe we should do something different,' maybe I wouldn't have [knee issues]. At that time it was to get me back on the basketball court and do what is best."
Wade has ultimately put together a Hall of Fame career, but his knees have broken down over the past few years.

Wild that someone gave him that medical advice, and wild the career he managed to have despite it.

This is actually Option #2, removing the damaged part, not removing the entire meniscus

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:From what I remember from Lin, it depends on the type and size of the tear and how it's repaired. Quickest recovery is if meniscus is removed entirely (if the dame is too extensive - very rare), however longer term prognosis is bad as after a few years it leads to arthritis.

Second option is cutting away the torn part (if its small),

Third option is if its stitched up- longest recovery time (a few months) but probably best longer term outlook.

So as an athlete you never remove meniscus entirely, I think you just read that wrong. No meniscus, no way you can do pro sports period.

Different types of injections you can do to help with torn meniscus, from cortisone for swelling to some sort of artificial padding (if meniscus is worn or just not there).

Either option #2 (2-4 weeks) or #3 (6-8 weeks) above would have most likely been end of season for KP unless they made finals or something like that.

You'd think, but believe it or not I think D-Wade had his meniscus removed:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/25/8105845/derrick-rose-injury-knee-surgery-bulls-meniscus-repaired-removed

Repairing the meniscus

This is the preferred option among younger players because it provides the best chance to elongate their careers. While the meniscus is not essential for living or even walking, having one sure helps deal with the day-to-day stress that comes with running, jumping and cutting for 82 games (plus playoffs, practices, workouts, summer hoops and more) a year. The meniscus acts as a cushion between knee bones; not having it puts more stress on the rest of a player's knee.

Repairing the meniscus is a difficult surgical process that takes time to heal. Should Rose elect to try to repair the meniscus, he will be out for the season and could be in jeopardy of missing the beginning of next season as well. That's how much time is needed for the tissue to reform. It certainly guarantees nothing -- Rose himself elected to repair the meniscus last time and look what happened -- but it provides the best chance for a long career.

That said, if the meniscus is already heavily damaged, repairing it is impossible using current technology. It's not clear yet if Rose's knee has reached that point.
Russell Westbrook is the other notable player to repair a torn meniscus recently. After a couple setbacks, he's back and better than ever.

Removing the meniscus
As noted earlier, menisci aren't essential for normal, everyday life. They actually degenerate over time; one reason we feel pain when we try to exercise as we get older is that there's less cushion in the knee to absorb pressure. Removing the meniscus only accelerates that process. It is done often when it is unrepairable due to repeated trauma or deterioration. What good is trying to fix knee tissue that is already heavily damaged?

Removing the meniscus entirely would actually give Rose the best chance of returning to the court soonest. Depending on the severity of this tear, he could return in six to eight weeks, allowing him to play in the postseason if he so desires. But it also comes with major long-term consequences: he will play in pain for the rest of his career and that career will be significantly shorter than it would have been if the repaired meniscus held up.

Dwyane Wade is a famous example of a player that removed his meniscus rather than repairing it. He did that in college at Marquette and said 11 years later that he regretted his decision.

"My knee problems and the things I've dealt with started from that," Wade said. "That was [11] years ago and technology was different and the way you approach things was different.

"At that moment, if everyone looked ahead and said, 'Dwyane's going to have a 20-year career, maybe we should do something different,' maybe I wouldn't have [knee issues]. At that time it was to get me back on the basketball court and do what is best."
Wade has ultimately put together a Hall of Fame career, but his knees have broken down over the past few years.

Wild that someone gave him that medical advice, and wild the career he managed to have despite it.

This is actually Option #2, removing the damaged part, not removing the entire meniscus

Oh man, all these years I've thought Wade was doing all that with no meniscus- you've ruined the legend for me!