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According to a report, the Golden State Warriors are showing interest in New York Knicks’ young point guard, Frank Ntilikina.

Nearly 6 months without NBA basketball and we are talking about Golden State Warriors‘ trade rumors for Frank Ntilikina. It isn’t ideal – but could Ntilikina actually have a positive impact on the Warriors if they chose to take a shot on the young guard?

Let’s start off with the source of this report. It comes from Legion Hoops on twitter, an account with a decent following but no clear ties to the league. Nonetheless, they claim to have a source that states the Warriors are showing interest in Ntilikina while the Knicks are looking to trade him this offseason.

https://bluemanhoop.com/2020/08/26/trade-rumors-golden-state-warriors-interested-in-frank-ntilikina/

Almost as comical as my responses to 1248 is the fact he posted this. Pure hate for the kid. The lone holdout now spannning three team presidents.

If anything, if GSW has interest in him it should validate why we should not trade him.

Lonzo ball a good defender? Shooter? Playmaker?
Frank a good defender? Playmaker? Shooter?

Frank is 21. He is a good playmaker and Elite defender that can win you games.
Fans are all about trying to trade for BALL then try to fix his shot.
Frank is here, his shot is not broken. What is broken is 4 coaches in three years.

stanleybostitch wrote:I love Frank and think we should keep him. But if GS wants to send us the 2nd pick for him, well...

They'd want Frank and Mitch (and probably the 8th)- no thanks!

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:I read this yesterday. Its a GSW Blog and has not a source or a single affiliation. Writer does a good job to say this.
Read the blog for yourselves.
How is this a “Report”? Let’s talk a moment about how the subliminal use of that word gives some cred to the statement.
Are the knicks looking to trade him?

Almost as comical as my responses to 1248 is the fact he posted this. Pure hate for the kid. The lone holdout now spannning three team presidents.

If anything, if GSW has interest in him it should validate why we should not trade him.

Lonzo ball a good defender? Shooter? Playmaker?
Frank a good defender? Playmaker? Shooter?

Frank is 21. He is a good playmaker and Elite defender that can win you games.
Fans are all about trying to trade for BALL then try to fix his shot.
Frank is here, his shot is not broken. What is broken is 4 coaches in three years.

You are kidding right, I'm just the messenger..

Besides I don't think he will have any success in NY, the timing and state of the team is just not benefiting him..Their searching the globe for PG's, that alone tells you how high he is on the FO's list of players to keep

“Searching the globe.....”. You are not privy to anything in inner sanctum. Are they interested in 5’11 Europe Free agent? Yes “Interested” does not mean they will make an offer.
I don’t pretend to know if they are shopping him or not, but the comedy is you seem to almost want to be correct in prognosticating his demise rather than see knicks profit from him succeeding.

MS wrote:I think we should extend him. His value is low and he’s been jerked around with 4 different coaches. He’s still only 22 and there is plenty of time to get better he can be a great bench stopper. Let’s see what this Jazz coach can do and under Thibs he will be valued.

I agree. If we could extend Frank for three years at around $9-$10 million per year, we should jump on that immediately. I think his game is only going to continue to incrementally improve over the next three years.

Panos wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MS wrote:I think we should extend him. His value is low and he’s been jerked around with 4 different coaches. He’s still only 22 and there is plenty of time to get better he can be a great bench stopper. Let’s see what this Jazz coach can do and under Thibs he will be valued.

I agree. If we could extend Frank for three years at around $9-$10 million per year, we should jump on that immediately. I think his game is only going to continue to incrementally improve over the next three years.

How about $6mm per.

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:I read this yesterday. Its a GSW Blog and has not a source or a single affiliation. Writer does a good job to say this.
Read the blog for yourselves.
How is this a “Report”? Let’s talk a moment about how the subliminal use of that word gives some cred to the statement.
Are the knicks looking to trade him?

Almost as comical as my responses to 1248 is the fact he posted this. Pure hate for the kid. The lone holdout now spannning three team presidents.

If anything, if GSW has interest in him it should validate why we should not trade him.

Lonzo ball a good defender? Shooter? Playmaker?
Frank a good defender? Playmaker? Shooter?

Frank is 21. He is a good playmaker and Elite defender that can win you games.
Fans are all about trying to trade for BALL then try to fix his shot.
Frank is here, his shot is not broken. What is broken is 4 coaches in three years.

You are kidding right, I'm just the messenger..

Besides I don't think he will have any success in NY, the timing and state of the team is just not benefiting him..Their searching the globe for PG's, that alone tells you how high he is on the FO's list of players to keep

Looking for PG's doesn't mean they want to get rid of him. They might view him as a wing. Frank is just to limited as a ball-handler and shot creator to be a 30 minute a game PG.

A wing..smh..ok if that's what you think

ekstarks94 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:I love Frank and think we should keep him. But if GS wants to send us the 2nd pick for him, well...

They'd want Frank and Mitch (and probably the 8th)- no thanks!

Funny thing is that we take that 2nd rounder and then see Frank turn into Marcus Smart on steroids playing with assassins on the perimeter and be kicking ourselves wanting to draft the next Frank..again...

Frank had little use on a team that is not in the mix to win...you put him on the warriors....pleaze...

no 2nd rounder for Frank for me..no thanks

The ridiculous criticism ("hate" as they say) on our teenage prospect Frank since being drafted by the media and "fans"...ugh. It started with complaining we should have picked DSJ. They have since cleaned that up with convenient revisionism to say Donovan Mitchell who they would have soiled their shorts over at the time had that happened. That you wouldn't pull for your young guy with potential, cheer him through his growing pains...I'll never understand. It would serve them right if he went on to have a great career with the Warriors.

TripleThreat wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:I love Frank and think we should keep him. But if GS wants to send us the 2nd pick for him, well...

They'd want Frank and Mitch (and probably the 8th)- no thanks!

Funny thing is that we take that 2nd rounder and then see Frank turn into Marcus Smart on steroids playing with assassins on the perimeter and be kicking ourselves wanting to draft the next Frank..again...

Frank had little use on a team that is not in the mix to win...you put him on the warriors....pleaze...

no 2nd rounder for Frank for me..no thanks

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/frank-ntilikina-23603/

The possibility exists he could have a moderate breakout on another team ( heavy on the word "moderate", as just being a replacement level 3 and D wing would be seen as a breakout from him) But its time for the Knicks to move on. The pandemic didn't help, but Frank N didn't exactly help himself. When Knicks1248 was banging on him in his rookie year, I thought that was too soon to eject, but given the situation now, it's time if the deal is there.

A lot is dependent on what the Knicks can mine in Tier 5 free agency and with UDFAs as this offseason is going to be unprecedented in terms of how teams will approach both.

Is Frank N worth an extension? My answer is No. The value of any picks, the cap space and the roster spot/minutes are worth more at this point.

Even if he breaks out later for another team, the best market based decision right now is to trade him if a trade is available for a pick or picks.

The Warriors would need to clear salary first. Detroit has shown previous interest and is a better chance of a trade. Depending on what happens in free agency, the Knicks might sign a free agent where it turns into a sign and trade and Frank N gets moved that way.

You can put some of his lack of production on the lack of coaching continuity and the ball hoggery of some players in the past few seasons, but the lack of fire and the lack of grit is too troublesome. He refuses to attack. Then I would always be concerned with any player who tunes it up during a contract year. Watching him move off ball just raises too many red flags. He coasts too much for my taste. I wanted to give him a few seasons first and hope for the best, but it's just not there. A few handful of strong games don't push the needle IMHO.

You want a primary ball handler who understands rejection is better than regret. What's the basic rule of boxing? You are either punching or getting punched. Frank N spent way too much time taking punches as a Knick.

No secret I favored Smith over Frank in the draft. Thought he would just be a role player his entire career and would not ever live up to an 8th pick. However, if there was ever a time to defend his playing ability and value, it is now. Disagree that he failed to show substantial improvement last year. He finally showed an ability to drive and put some pressure on the defense. Feel his shot is very good mechanically and he hesitated less pulling the trigger. He has an immediate impact on defense when in the game and can be a stopper of elite scorers. He improved in the areas which I was waiting to see and had not seen. Which is his level of aggressiveness and offensive confidence. Do agree that it needs to be on a more consistent basis. Maybe a good coach that takes him out when he goes into spells of inactivity on offense would help. Additionally, as mentioned on several occasions, feel a normal players true ability rarely surfaces until his 4th to 6th year in the league. Specifically in today's NBA. Where 18 year old draft picks are the norm. Think the odds that he goes on to continue an upward trajectory is quite high due to the mentioned improvements year over year.

In terms of value, I think Frank is absolutely worth a 8-10 million dollar a year extension. Specially when one considers the tenured history of the Knicks front office handing out 10 to 15 million contracts to any ONE year tryout that has been a bigger disappointment elsewhere. Do agree that good coaching will make a big difference this year. Thibs has experience with offensive minded PG's. Maybe that will keep him improving on that end. Additionally, no secret we have not had very good players during his years here. Hopefully we add some more talent. Think that would only enhance his play. As it would everyone else's. Just do not see much value in trading him or for that matter Smith for a second round draft pick. Smith showed he was very capable in his first 2 years and Frank has shown the ability to improve year over year. Maybe not at the rate some have hoped but still continued improvement. For me it makes no sense to have kept him this long only to give up on him when he is actually showing potential of breaking out. Specially for minimal return. Pretty confident that a worst case scenario, if we extend Frank (even if he does not improve), is that teams would still be willing to trade for him, despite 10 million dollar price tag, just solely on his ability to play defense. Now if anyone is willing/dumb enough to give up a top 5 pick for him or he falls back into mediocre first year play then........

"But it ain’t how hard you hit; it’s about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward."