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Next year nba season 2020/2021 season could start january- or early march 2021 depending on covid numbers in bubble
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houston20
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8/13/2020  10:36 PM

Henry Abbott
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TrueHoop sources in the bubble: NBPA head Michele Roberts met with players in groups on Wednesday in Orlando. Everyone wore masks. Key takeaways:

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1) She expects the current collective bargaining agreement is toast.
2) She is optimistic about negotiating a new one.
3) Next season will most likely begin some time between late January and early March (the later dates would affect the Olympics, however).

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8/14/2020  12:09 AM
Makes sense, teams that make a deep run will only have a month of rest before training camp
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8/14/2020  3:33 AM
March would mean our players haven't played for 1 year, which is worrying. But I do think March makes more sense for the league. I don't see the Olympics happening, so I wouldn't worry about that. March gives you the chance of having players vaccinated, and maybe some fans in arenas later in the season.
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8/14/2020  7:46 AM
houston20 wrote:
Henry Abbott
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TrueHoop sources in the bubble: NBPA head Michele Roberts met with players in groups on Wednesday in Orlando. Everyone wore masks. Key takeaways:

Henry Abbott
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1) She expects the current collective bargaining agreement is toast.
2) She is optimistic about negotiating a new one.
3) Next season will most likely begin some time between late January and early March (the later dates would affect the Olympics, however).

Something a couple of owners are pushing for is a consolation bracket tournament. I.E. anyone who is eliminated from the playoffs plays then for seeding for the top picks in the next draft. Meaning if you win the "championship" of the consolation bracket, you get the first overall pick in the draft. Then there would be a bonus structure for players depending on how long their team lasts in the consolation bracket.

This would hypothetically create a situation where

A) There is no incentive to fully tank anymore. Teams want a better pick. Coaches want to keep their jobs so they want to win as many games as they can all the time. Players will have an incentive to play hard since they can get cash bonuses for their teams moving forward.

B) Bad teams will need to work hard to get to a treadmill team first to have a shot at the top picks. You create a merit based system.

C) Treadmill teams will have a mechanism to escape being cap locked but unable to get over the hump. Which you hope creates more fringe contenders and thus more parity in the league

D) It would add essentially a secondary form of playoff games while relieving pressure from the league to maintain it's raw number of playoff games each year. This would have ancillary financial benefits to host teams in the consolation bracket ( ticket sales, merchandising, generating business for those around the arena, etc).

E) It would incentivize the networks to either maintain the existing contract status quo in COVID19 or increase it because it would generate more profits for everyone.

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8/14/2020  8:45 AM
Not bad concepts but “Bad teams need to work hard” I think is a bit easy to say.
As an NBA insider you bring good ideas but not disclosed is how does the league office perhaps help teams?
Philly was stuck in its “process” which was initiated not by same Hinkie but their oweneship. Hedge funds guys who were cool to go deep value for a few years and create a talent base. Despite numerous failure they did accumulate enough talent to eventually contend.
When this affected road attendance its my view the league stepped in when it bought the Colangelo’s to sort it out. Similar to when Walsh was “suggested” to Dolan post Isiah.
Having he financial resources to own a team does not make one qualified to run it. somtimes the owner inherited the team and not fully up to the task. Jimmy Buss as an example a few years ago. They eventually sorted it out.

I like this idea of a delete 8 tournament but this is likely just a one and done type of event unless pandemics last years which creates a whole different narrative, I doubt changing the way teams collect talent can change much. seems flattening out the odds as they have to the bottom 5-6 teams should discourage tanking enough over the long run.

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8/14/2020  8:48 AM
smackeddog wrote:March would mean our players haven't played for 1 year, which is worrying. But I do think March makes more sense for the league. I don't see the Olympics happening, so I wouldn't worry about that. March gives you the chance of having players vaccinated, and maybe some fans in arenas later in the season.

Why don’t you see the Olympics happening?
It’s late next Summer.... unless everyone refuses to take a vaccine, which I find possible.... and troubling.

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8/14/2020  9:02 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:Makes sense, teams that make a deep run will only have a month of rest before training camp

you have to remember, The august restart came after a 4 month lay off (nothing but rest) which is about the same amount of time you would have off if the finals finish in june.

The restart from August to early October is like having a 2 month season, so why would you need players off another 4 months.

Even after all that time off, and less than 10 games played since the restart, teams are still resting perfectly healthy stars on Back to back games...which is some BS IMO...

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8/14/2020  9:17 AM
Guys playing late in playoffs need not be on Olympic team.
Issue is not just team USA, its all others as well. Giannis play for Greece? The French players?
All might be effected. Basketball is a big money maker for olympics but there are a lot of players who can go that are not top tier and still be a great tournament.
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8/14/2020  11:20 AM
I don't see nba players joining this Olympics. Too much short rest a
Nd uncertainty will be the reason for that
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8/14/2020  12:16 PM
I think next season is probably most likely going be in the for the whole year for 6 months starting in january. We all know this for fact no team that is in finals this year wants to start training training cap in novemember not enough rest. We also know this for fact let say lakers or clippers make the nba finals neither of those teams are going to do training camp in november because the players and owners have a powerful voice balmer,buss,lebron, doc rivers,paul george, kawhi leonard, and anthony davis. I really don't see a way this covid 19 is going away anytime soon without vacine that might take some time next year to distribute and teams are going to be traveling state to state with no problems. Lets be real here the bubble system works and silver doesn't trust players to do right thing if there not in the bubble see lou williams strip club atlanta. I don't think season will start in march- august because lot players have kids and some those kids from different women and there custody battle for child support if you can't see the kids in the summer time its going raise there child support, see trevor ariza messy custody battle with his baby momma couldn't go to bubble because he only has child custody rights in summer time.
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8/14/2020  12:38 PM
Money talks. If they can see a path to having fans in the seats that might influence as to when. Might be partial bubble, or multiple bubbles?
We are part in denial to the reality but that reality changes with therapeutics and vaccine. Thus, when next season starts?
I’d say bubble about Christmas/January and go from there. By next week you only have 8 teams left in the playoffs. 22 not. Do teams need 6 weeks of preseason? If so then mid November. Last 4 teams can maybe have a light schedule.
Money will be part of the schedule. draft, summer league can be expanded for the ****ty teams.
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8/14/2020  12:39 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:March would mean our players haven't played for 1 year, which is worrying. But I do think March makes more sense for the league. I don't see the Olympics happening, so I wouldn't worry about that. March gives you the chance of having players vaccinated, and maybe some fans in arenas later in the season.

Why don’t you see the Olympics happening?
It’s late next Summer.... unless everyone refuses to take a vaccine, which I find possible.... and troubling.

There's no way, even if a vaccine is found in the next few months, that it will have been distributed to enough countries (let alone people within those countries) by next summer. Most estimates are that it would take a year to administer to the whole population of a country. There won't be enough to go round to every country (expect disputes and tension). Without global vaccination, then the Olympics become a super spreader event- it would reseed the virus across the world.

Plus we don't know if the vaccine (even if it successfully stops you getting ill) will stop you being a carrier/spreader, which will be a problem if it doesn't, because it means just because you have been vaccinated, other countries can't just let you wander around as you could still infect others.

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8/14/2020  1:19 PM
It was discussed here before, but a bubble done in phases is the best thing.

2 phases

First phase-45-50 games then all star weekend.

Halt for 1 month, 20 days rest and quarantine, 10 days training.

Second phase--balance games and playoffs.

Since they will only stay in 1 place, travel is not needed, thus more back to backs to condense the games to a shorter calendar.

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unstopaball12 wrote:It was discussed here before, but a bubble done in phases is the best thing.

2 phases

First phase-45-50 games then all star weekend.

Halt for 1 month, 20 days rest and quarantine, 10 days training.

Second phase--balance games and playoffs.

Since they will only stay in 1 place, travel is not needed, thus more back to backs to condense the games to a shorter calendar.

I wonder if (like me with working from home), players will grow to prefer this way of doing the season- must be nice not to have all the travel). Problem is the amount of time you're asking players to be exiled from their families in the above scenario.

I think maybe start the season with felxiblilty. Assume it will all be in bubbles. Cut the season back to 70 games to meet contract demands of TV contracts. Split those 70 games into 2- 4 bubbles with breaks in between for players to go back home. However, if a vaccine becomes available you can either open up the bubble, or go back to playing in arenas- these can be empty if the vaccine isn't distributed to the general public in time, socially distanced or full (depending on how distribution goes and state laws allow). I think players would prefer to play in one set place (like Disney World) with family allowed rather than empty arena's though as travelling makes little sense if there's no fans in home arenas.

Another option might be to go to New Zealand for a portion of the season (if they remain relatively Covid-19 free)

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8/15/2020  1:29 AM
smackeddog wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:It was discussed here before, but a bubble done in phases is the best thing.

2 phases

First phase-45-50 games then all star weekend.

Halt for 1 month, 20 days rest and quarantine, 10 days training.

Second phase--balance games and playoffs.

Since they will only stay in 1 place, travel is not needed, thus more back to backs to condense the games to a shorter calendar.

I wonder if (like me with working from home), players will grow to prefer this way of doing the season- must be nice not to have all the travel). Problem is the amount of time you're asking players to be exiled from their families in the above scenario.

I think maybe start the season with felxiblilty. Assume it will all be in bubbles. Cut the season back to 70 games to meet contract demands of TV contracts. Split those 70 games into 2- 4 bubbles with breaks in between for players to go back home. However, if a vaccine becomes available you can either open up the bubble, or go back to playing in arenas- these can be empty if the vaccine isn't distributed to the general public in time, socially distanced or full (depending on how distribution goes and state laws allow). I think players would prefer to play in one set place (like Disney World) with family allowed rather than empty arena's though as travelling makes little sense if there's no fans in home arenas.

Another option might be to go to New Zealand for a portion of the season (if they remain relatively Covid-19 free)


Well with MLB in shambles with their version and not looking pretty moving forward, players might think a bubble is the best way to go: financially and health wise. As this current version is working to a T. Also I double Disney will have any complaints as they get to lease their place instead of not making anything at all.

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8/15/2020  1:31 AM
smackeddog wrote:

Fishy part of this is for the knicks, we have so much players on contract years and won't want to risk injury. If they allow to include g league players to complete the roster then by all means.

Get the core guys with thibs and his staff will bring so much plus vs. Training against YMCA dudes

Next year nba season 2020/2021 season could start january- or early march 2021 depending on covid numbers in bubble

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