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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
8/13/2020 7:11 AM
Such a brilliant Knicks career.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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ESOMKnicks
Posts: 21420 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/14/2015 Member: #6064 |
8/13/2020 7:33 AM
Looks like a scared little kid who has not gotten enough sense of stability and security in his life. And no amount of career success, fan adulation or money can fix that mental crack. Hope he has gotten some professional counseling since then.
I know that professional athletes get paid humongous amounts of money, so need to be prepared to sacrifice a lot and deal with a lot of issues. But there is still this uncomfortable and somewhat dehumanizing feel around how they get bought, sold and traded here and there without their consent or even knowledge sometimes, as if they were cattle. I also do not get this "whole new level Mecca" thing from his agent. BJ played on championship Bulls teams with Michael friggin Jordan, while we have not won since the 1970s. How is NY bigger than Chicago in basketball terms then? Looks like BJ was simply laying on the BS. |
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Nalod
Posts: 71153 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/13/2020 9:23 AM LAST EDITED: 8/13/2020 9:25 AM
I took "Mecca, a different beast" in the contect of the call that the media is differnt and he'll walk him thru it. I interpreted it as BJ trying to keep Rose composed and control the response as it wouild be a big story. Also that Rose has obvious anxiety issues. Obvious when he went AWAL this kid was dealling with some shyt. He was on top of the world at age 22 and it came down on him. Then he had to deal with his pending civil lawsuit which had some lewd accusations gone public. He handled his "back the truck up" comment in Chicago regarding a pending free agency appearung arrogant did not sit well with many.
His knick tenure was marked by his inability to solve his injury which took another year to sort out after he departed Knicks. In the long run Phils vision with him, Melo and Joakim was talent wise not a bad idea but as we know did not come together. Melo was not open to change as thought, Joakim was "funboy", and Rose could not keep it together. At the end of the day Phil could not execute this which was his job. |
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
8/13/2020 9:59 AM
Phil broke up the best rim protection duo the franchise had ever seen, for what?
Phil couldn't do his job because he had no idea what he was doing. And after it all ended, he obviously didn't GAF that he had no clue. Nice feet selfie. Hotpockets. Ate $60 million in hotpockets while watching the whole ****ing place burn down. (TripleThreat, LLC, Copyright 2020) |
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42797 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/13/2020 10:20 AM
jrodmc wrote:Phil broke up the best rim protection duo the franchise had ever seen, for what? Phil wanted to put his own stamp on the team. Didnt care if Lopez was a good fit. Same with Isiah and Doleac. Marbury had a good Pn'R going. And he was an underrated rim protector as well. I hated the Lopez trade, wasnt hard to see how it would end. First thing Rose talked about was earning a max deal. Even though he had missed more games than any other player over the last 3-4 years. Its ego that drives trades like that. Hoping Leon Rose doesnt go the same route. Have no idea what will happen. |
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houston20
Posts: 20484 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/18/2019 Member: #8797 |
8/13/2020 11:51 AM
When derrick rose didn't come to garden and went awol didn't show up everybody was scared for his well being. I remember ny police had to come looking for him even his teammates didn't know where he was and lost respect for him not taking responsibility for that act of disrespect.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
8/13/2020 12:20 PM
jrodmc wrote:Phil broke up the best rim protection duo the franchise had ever seen, for what? Yeah Robin Lopez was a Real game changer Knicks have been terrible for 19/20 years but we outspent every other team in that period. Phil Jackson not the problem. We had every opportunity to spend money on a good team manager 15-18 years ago. Just went for name recognition. RIP Crushalot😞
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
8/13/2020 1:12 PM
BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:Phil broke up the best rim protection duo the franchise had ever seen, for what? Was Rolo part of the number one rim protection duo in the NBA or not? Pay someone 15-18 years ago. Yeah, maybe Jimmie should have seen if Ujiri was available back then. Aren't there some obscure Euro prospect tapes you should be posting about? |
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fwk00
Posts: 22162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/20/2015 Member: #6048 |
8/13/2020 2:18 PM
Jackson, was dealt a rough hand to begin with and he trusted Melo to earn his keep.
You can recycle all the arguments you like but this current [promising] year is a by-product of Phil regardless of your opinions. Had Phil been able to unload K[ra]P in timely fashion we would be in even better shape. |
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
8/13/2020 2:34 PM
Phil couldn't hire a coach, couldn't do anything but alienate the only two stars he had, couldn't draft anything else but mid-level **** and handled free agency and contract negotiations worse than you would.
A by product of Phil. SMH. He never managed to trade away first rounders for **** like Bargs. Hooray. Trust me, I had visions of grandeur when he was hired. The prodigal ring bearer finally coming home to roost.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
8/13/2020 3:26 PM
jrodmc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:Phil broke up the best rim protection duo the franchise had ever seen, for what? Rim protection against what? All of the teams that had star interior guys? We were 32-50 with Lopez? RIP Crushalot😞
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
8/14/2020 9:01 AM
BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:Phil broke up the best rim protection duo the franchise had ever seen, for what? Did you watch Lillard and McCullom last night driving to the basket on all 5 Nets? Did you notice who won the game? Did you notice that in the first half, Jared Allen was kicking Portland's ass at the rim? Didn't say Rolo was leading us to a chip, BRIGGS. I'm saying Phil broke up a defensive pairing for what? Where is Noah now? Where is DRose? Haven't seen them leading anyone to the promised land, have you? Concentrate on the question, BRIGGS. And while your at it, at this point with this franchise, I'd give a ****ing lung to win 32 games. |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
8/15/2020 8:08 AM
jrodmc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:Phil broke up the best rim protection duo the franchise had ever seen, for what? I’m not sure what Phil Jackson did—he was put into a position he had absolutely no experience in. That’s on the owners tales/- he’s the guy who makes final decisions. Whatever moves Phil made are an extension of Dolan because he made the cognizant final decision to hire him. I’m in agreement though jrod— the disruptive path to change in the Nba is to get longer players. Is Damian Lillard scoring 60 in 1997? No If u were watching hoop last night did u see that Philly started two seven footers? What Horford and Embiid were able to do was cut their defensive end of the court in half by shutting out the lane. Then the other Philly defenders were able to play up and swarm the perimeter. The Knicks can’t be followers of trend they need to be leaders. Saying I’d cut my toes off to win 32 games is a defeatist losing attitude— it’s not the right attitude. I’m hope Dolan doesn’t think the same way cuz if he does than it’s time to say I’m done. The best luck the franchise has had in almost 50 years was based on a 7 footer named Patrick Ewing. With Patrick we were able to “build out” and then over they years simply plug and play RIP Crushalot😞
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Nalod
Posts: 71153 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/15/2020 12:28 PM
Briggs, good point about trends and following. The darlings are not the Raptors and NEts. what’s ever sauce they are serving there is working!
Nets used that to get to the point they can attract two stars and surround them. They have a lot of work to do but they have a base to work with. Read a rumor they might ask to talk to Pop. ITs with a try. I see Ty Lue as the type of coach Nets might settle on. Maybe more of a personality manager as he was in Cleveland. Nets Used the deep dive of development to get here, now its a different team with a new owner and he sets the direction. Toronto competed but still builT from within to get over the top. They did a salary dump with Derozen but needed to sweet the pot to get Leonard. That’s where being deep was key. They won the battle with him but then lost him. Still they had the depth to still contend as they are now. At some level Phil wanted a mature trio of Melo, Noah and DRose to compete with while building a culture of Triangle goodness as a base. IT did not work. Was it a bad idea? Not really, just badly executed. IT was better than the rudderless stupidity that plagued them for years. Maybe it was not meant to last but at the very least build upon. Rose is either making a big splash or will “Build upon” until an opportunity arises if and when a player shakes loose. |