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fishmike
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7/30/2020  2:38 PM
Just thinking out loud here (sorry for the noise)

He's in the Zach Lavine zone also... hyper athletic guy. Was showing promise with the shot but really took a slide this year (thus the buy low). Might benefit from a change of scenery. Explosive athlete. 25 years old.

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7/30/2020  3:21 PM
fishmike wrote:Just thinking out loud here (sorry for the noise)

He's in the Zach Lavine zone also... hyper athletic guy. Was showing promise with the shot but really took a slide this year (thus the buy low). Might benefit from a change of scenery. Explosive athlete. 25 years old.

Maybe, but he's one of those players who isn’t particularly good at anything, and we seem to have a monopoly of those

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7/30/2020  6:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/30/2020  6:08 PM
We might as well keep Randle. If he reduces his turnovers and improves his defense, he actually is a better player who is on a better contract.
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7/31/2020  3:26 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:Just thinking out loud here (sorry for the noise)

He's in the Zach Lavine zone also... hyper athletic guy. Was showing promise with the shot but really took a slide this year (thus the buy low). Might benefit from a change of scenery. Explosive athlete. 25 years old.

Maybe, but he's one of those players who isn’t particularly good at anything, and we seem to have a monopoly of those

Food for thought what about creating a trade package around Knox for Gordon? Any possibility of getting assets for the extra contract?

knicks1248
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7/31/2020  4:09 PM
Knickfury11 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:Just thinking out loud here (sorry for the noise)

He's in the Zach Lavine zone also... hyper athletic guy. Was showing promise with the shot but really took a slide this year (thus the buy low). Might benefit from a change of scenery. Explosive athlete. 25 years old.

Maybe, but he's one of those players who isn’t particularly good at anything, and we seem to have a monopoly of those

Food for thought what about creating a trade package around Knox for Gordon? Any possibility of getting assets for the extra contract?

so your proposing that not only do we get the way better player, but you want to take their picks as well...lol

Not even Suge knight or john Gotti can pull that off..

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7/31/2020  6:06 PM
So he will be making $18M and then $16.5M over next 2 years.

Explosive forward whose eFG% is not very impressive for guy that dunks so nicely, and it does seem like he takes a lot of 3s but hasn't improved. No idea on his defense.

I'd rather overspend just a bit on a high level role player like Jerami Grant (~1.5 years older at 26). Solid man defender, high eFG%, super solid 3pt shooter. Can play both SF/PF. Thibs would love this guy.

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7/31/2020  6:10 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickfury11 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:Just thinking out loud here (sorry for the noise)

He's in the Zach Lavine zone also... hyper athletic guy. Was showing promise with the shot but really took a slide this year (thus the buy low). Might benefit from a change of scenery. Explosive athlete. 25 years old.

Maybe, but he's one of those players who isn’t particularly good at anything, and we seem to have a monopoly of those

Food for thought what about creating a trade package around Knox for Gordon? Any possibility of getting assets for the extra contract?

so your proposing that not only do we get the way better player, but you want to take their picks as well...lol

Not even Suge knight or john Gotti can pull that off..

If Kevin makes any kind of a jump and Gordon stays on the track he has been on, then you won’t be saying that in less than a year from now. Gordon is not that good.

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7/31/2020  11:00 PM
I would take him on short term deal, but I wouldn't commit anything of significance to him... he doesn't move the needle
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8/1/2020  12:21 AM
Knickfury11 wrote:Food for thought what about creating a trade package around Knox for Gordon? Any possibility of getting assets for the extra contract?


It depends on what the Knicks are trying to do. Guys like Gordon and Lavine take a bit of a hit in value because there are no longer fans in the stands. Part of the value from these guys is their highlight reel ability. Since Leon Rose is a former agent, his natural inclination is to look at their Q ratings, which has little value on the basketball court but has large implications on the business/marketing side of the franchise.

If the Knicks want to become a back door contender, they need fundamental high floor low ceiling guys. I know when Knox was drafted, some people here were panning Mikal Bridges a bit. But if you have 5-6 of those guys on your roster, and if COVID19 hits the league hard enough, you can become a contender overnight.

Expanded rosters are here to stay for a while. This season and likely the next two ( if the NBA functions at all in the future...) As a cash rich team, the Knicks are in an interesting position here. Four guys making 5 million each can help you more than one guy making 20 million if enough players go down.

If you are looking at focusing on the marketing aspect of team building, it would depend on what Gordon cost.

If you are looking to create a back door contender, what you are looking for is to use your cap for depth.

In either instance, the Knicks need to sequester their roster in the offseason. It has to be done to maintain a functional team for the future, there doesn't seem a way around it.

Knox is half a season away from being a lost cause. Someone will cite his age, AGAIN, but that is not as relevant as his league service time. Given the league shut down last season and has a limited season this year, those are factors. But if he's going to break out, he needs to do it very soon. His contract window is a problem. He's accruing normal service time in two modified seasons of play. This will start to become a MONEY PROBLEM for the Knox situation. Rookie contracts were designed as a compromise. To give teams some cost control but the ability to let go of unproductive guys and to allow guys who breakout a chance to hit free agency without being chained against natural market forces. There is no current market correction to account for COVID19, and there will likely never be. Life is like that - bad timing and bad luck can **** you. That's not just the NBA, in life, people get squeezed between the sides. Some of you. D'Angelo Barksdale. Those models who thought Leonardo DiCaprio would marry them if they swallowed. Lots of folks.

A team trading for him has to factor the cap considerations in as well. No functional team will trade for him unless it's dirt cheap.

Teams want high ceiling guys because they want something sexy. They want splash plays and big highlight reels and lots of attention in the media. Also the game basically cheats for those guys the most, esp in the playoffs. But high floor guys allow for more overall certainty. And there is some tremendous value in cost certainty at the professional level.

Case in point. Some of you guys probably wanted to marry the girl who looked the best in a bikini. But sometimes what actually functions is just a chick who won't get fat, will do the laundry and accepts there are no castles in the sky, just more spaghetti dinners on boring Tuesday nights.

This is what happens when you hit rock bottom. You want Kylie Jenner to blow you. But what you need is a handful of basic bitches with low self esteem.

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8/1/2020  8:39 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickfury11 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:Just thinking out loud here (sorry for the noise)

He's in the Zach Lavine zone also... hyper athletic guy. Was showing promise with the shot but really took a slide this year (thus the buy low). Might benefit from a change of scenery. Explosive athlete. 25 years old.

Maybe, but he's one of those players who isn’t particularly good at anything, and we seem to have a monopoly of those

Food for thought what about creating a trade package around Knox for Gordon? Any possibility of getting assets for the extra contract?

so your proposing that not only do we get the way better player, but you want to take their picks as well...lol

Not even Suge knight or john Gotti can pull that off..

Haha....yeah totally gangster! Got to be ruthless in negotiating When it comes to our Knicks! Saw the ORL vs BKN game Gordon had a relatively quiet game. If I had a choice much rather Johnathan Isaac looks far more versatile.

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8/1/2020  8:42 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
Knickfury11 wrote:Food for thought what about creating a trade package around Knox for Gordon? Any possibility of getting assets for the extra contract?


It depends on what the Knicks are trying to do. Guys like Gordon and Lavine take a bit of a hit in value because there are no longer fans in the stands. Part of the value from these guys is their highlight reel ability. Since Leon Rose is a former agent, his natural inclination is to look at their Q ratings, which has little value on the basketball court but has large implications on the business/marketing side of the franchise.

If the Knicks want to become a back door contender, they need fundamental high floor low ceiling guys. I know when Knox was drafted, some people here were panning Mikal Bridges a bit. But if you have 5-6 of those guys on your roster, and if COVID19 hits the league hard enough, you can become a contender overnight.

Expanded rosters are here to stay for a while. This season and likely the next two ( if the NBA functions at all in the future...) As a cash rich team, the Knicks are in an interesting position here. Four guys making 5 million each can help you more than one guy making 20 million if enough players go down.

If you are looking at focusing on the marketing aspect of team building, it would depend on what Gordon cost.

If you are looking to create a back door contender, what you are looking for is to use your cap for depth.

In either instance, the Knicks need to sequester their roster in the offseason. It has to be done to maintain a functional team for the future, there doesn't seem a way around it.

Knox is half a season away from being a lost cause. Someone will cite his age, AGAIN, but that is not as relevant as his league service time. Given the league shut down last season and has a limited season this year, those are factors. But if he's going to break out, he needs to do it very soon. His contract window is a problem. He's accruing normal service time in two modified seasons of play. This will start to become a MONEY PROBLEM for the Knox situation. Rookie contracts were designed as a compromise. To give teams some cost control but the ability to let go of unproductive guys and to allow guys who breakout a chance to hit free agency without being chained against natural market forces. There is no current market correction to account for COVID19, and there will likely never be. Life is like that - bad timing and bad luck can **** you. That's not just the NBA, in life, people get squeezed between the sides. Some of you. D'Angelo Barksdale. Those models who thought Leonardo DiCaprio would marry them if they swallowed. Lots of folks.

A team trading for him has to factor the cap considerations in as well. No functional team will trade for him unless it's dirt cheap.

Teams want high ceiling guys because they want something sexy. They want splash plays and big highlight reels and lots of attention in the media. Also the game basically cheats for those guys the most, esp in the playoffs. But high floor guys allow for more overall certainty. And there is some tremendous value in cost certainty at the professional level.

Case in point. Some of you guys probably wanted to marry the girl who looked the best in a bikini. But sometimes what actually functions is just a chick who won't get fat, will do the laundry and accepts there are no castles in the sky, just more spaghetti dinners on boring Tuesday nights.

This is what happens when you hit rock bottom. You want Kylie Jenner to blow you. But what you need is a handful of basic bitches with low self esteem.

Haha.... you speak my language. Got it. Basic bitches from here on out....

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8/1/2020  1:31 PM
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8/1/2020  3:31 PM
TripleThreat wrote:

It depends on what the Knicks are trying to do. Guys like Gordon and Lavine take a bit of a hit in value because there are no longer fans in the stands. Part of the value from these guys is their highlight reel ability. Since Leon Rose is a former agent, his natural inclination is to look at their Q ratings, which has little value on the basketball court but has large implications on the business/marketing side of the franchise.

If the Knicks want to become a back door contender, they need fundamental high floor low ceiling guys. I know when Knox was drafted, some people here were panning Mikal Bridges a bit. But if you have 5-6 of those guys on your roster, and if COVID19 hits the league hard enough, you can become a contender overnight.

I do not understand your infatuation with Mikal Bridges. Guys who can do whatever he can do can always be picked up off the scrap heap for the mid-level exception, or as former stars chasing a ring for the vet minimum. Knox may not pan out, but that is what you do in the draft, try to hit it out of the ballpark by picking a future superstar, whom you would first have on a rookie deal, and then have the Bird rights to. Without this it is hard to fit a talent-laden championship team under the cap. This is a point you yourself made some time ago, which makes a lot of sense.

And high-flying dunker acts wear out very quickly with fans in the stands unless they are also followed by Ws in the column. A losing team is simply a very poor business/marketing proposition. I hope Leon Rose understands that.

I think the only way the Knicks can climb back into relevance is keep developing talent from within: either via the draft or by handing out modest contracts to promising young players, hoping for a couple of breakouts. Plus keeping cap space in case of a firesale trade or a lucky FA signing of a superstar. The rest of the roster you fill out situationally for cheap. This is a league of LeBrons and scrubs, there is no place for mid-tier players any more, LaVines, Aarons Gordons or Mikals have no value, unless they come really cheap and do not take up many years on your cap. So, there is no point in paying anyone like that.

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8/3/2020  4:08 AM
Doubt they trade Gordon now:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259004/Jonathan-Isaac-Suffers-Torn-ACL

Jonathan Isaac suffered a torn ACL in his left knee, the Orlando Magic announced on Sunday.

Isaac suffered the injury during the Magic's 132-116 win over the Sacramento Kings.

Isaac missed 31 games earlier in the season due to a hyperextended knee.

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8/3/2020  8:47 AM
Knickfury11 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickfury11 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:Just thinking out loud here (sorry for the noise)

He's in the Zach Lavine zone also... hyper athletic guy. Was showing promise with the shot but really took a slide this year (thus the buy low). Might benefit from a change of scenery. Explosive athlete. 25 years old.

Maybe, but he's one of those players who isn’t particularly good at anything, and we seem to have a monopoly of those

Food for thought what about creating a trade package around Knox for Gordon? Any possibility of getting assets for the extra contract?

so your proposing that not only do we get the way better player, but you want to take their picks as well...lol

Not even Suge knight or john Gotti can pull that off..

Haha....yeah totally gangster! Got to be ruthless in negotiating When it comes to our Knicks! Saw the ORL vs BKN game Gordon had a relatively quiet game. If I had a choice much rather Johnathan Isaac looks far more versatile.

I agree, he's a much better defender to.

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8/3/2020  10:45 AM
smackeddog wrote:Doubt they trade Gordon now:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259004/Jonathan-Isaac-Suffers-Torn-ACL

Jonathan Isaac suffered a torn ACL in his left knee, the Orlando Magic announced on Sunday.

Isaac suffered the injury during the Magic's 132-116 win over the Sacramento Kings.

Isaac missed 31 games earlier in the season due to a hyperextended knee.

Feel sorry for the kid. He just cant seem to stay healthy. This definitely changes the plans for the Magic moving forward.

Aaron Gordon could be bought low

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