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smackeddog
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7/29/2020 4:00 PM
I like him a lot, though I think Golden state might go after him (maybe trade down slightly)
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Knixkik
Posts: 35445 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
7/29/2020 4:17 PM LAST EDITED: 7/29/2020 4:17 PM
He’s a great prospect. Doesn’t have elite upside like Ball but is easier to plug and play. He’s my top guy if we stay put wherever we draft. If we move up it would have to be for Ball simply because of his upside. But staying put and landing Haliburton would be a huge win.
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smackeddog
Posts: 38389 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
7/29/2020 4:29 PM
Knixkik wrote:He’s a great prospect. Doesn’t have elite upside like Ball but is easier to plug and play. He’s my top guy if we stay put wherever we draft. If we move up it would have to be for Ball simply because of his upside. But staying put and landing Haliburton would be a huge win. I think he’ll go 5th or 6th, and we’ll pick 7 or 8. We can’t land the 5th spot and only have an 8.somethng% chance at 6th. If we landed 1-3 or traded up we’d probably draft Ball, Wiseman or Edwards. Really by a cruel twist of fate, the odds of us getting him are very very slim, unfortunately. |
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KnickDanger
Posts: 24375 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/30/2017 Member: #7578 |
7/29/2020 5:32 PM
Yeah he's who I'd like. And this "upside" s#!t -- how is that measured exactly?
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fishmike
Posts: 53828 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
7/29/2020 6:11 PM
Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
7/29/2020 7:00 PM
fishmike wrote:Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho I can see that happening if Leon particularly values Frank. From everything I hear, he does. I also don’t mind trading down if we have, say, the 8th pick. Giving up assets for LeVine or Booker would be crazy to me. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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Knixkik
Posts: 35445 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
7/29/2020 8:49 PM LAST EDITED: 7/29/2020 8:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:He’s a great prospect. Doesn’t have elite upside like Ball but is easier to plug and play. He’s my top guy if we stay put wherever we draft. If we move up it would have to be for Ball simply because of his upside. But staying put and landing Haliburton would be a huge win. Maybe not as slim as you think. If they want him bad enough and only need to move up a couple spots they can probably find a team willing to swap picks for additional assets, be it a future pick or cash since a lot of teams are strapped. Haliburton is a CAA guy so I’m sure they have an opinion of him and may be more invested in him for that reason. But I think moving up a spot or 2 is easy enough if they feel it’s worth it. |
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TheGame
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7/29/2020 9:56 PM LAST EDITED: 7/29/2020 10:02 PM
Haliburton would be a solid pick. I still like Hayes better, but I cannot argue that Haliburton looks solid. The issue with Haliburton is that he does not have a high ceiling. He rarely drives to the lane, does not go to the free throw line alot, and is only a so-so athlete. In my view, Ball is a much better pick. Ball is a far superior at breaking defenses down. He is just as good a passer, and while his jumper needs work, if Lonzo could turn himself into a decent shooter, Ball can turn himself into an above-average shooter. I think Ball's poor percentages were due mostly to poor shot selection rather than an inability to shoot. I will acknowledge that, for next year, Haliburton will probably perform better, because Ball still needs to grow into his body and work on his jumper, but in 3 years, I cannot see anyway Haliburton is going to be a better player than Ball, and I don't think it would be even close. Haliburton is more on a George Hill level. Ball will be on a Ben Simmons level.
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martin
Posts: 76208 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
7/29/2020 10:03 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho I love Frank and gotta guess that Leon values him but does he really think Frank is ready and fully able to be a starting PG and be able to execute everything Thibs needs? Frank/DSJr enough? Don't know. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Knixkik
Posts: 35445 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
7/29/2020 10:13 PM
TheGame wrote:Haliburton would be a solid pick. I still like Hayes better, but I cannot argue that Haliburton looks solid. The issue with Haliburton is that he does not have a high ceiling. He rarely drives to the lane, does not go to the free throw line alot, and is only a so-so athlete. In my view, Ball is a much better pick. Ball is a far superior at breaking defenses down. He is just as good a passer, and while his jumper needs work, if Lonzo could turn himself into a decent shooter, Ball can term himself into a great shooter. Yes, for next year, Haliburton would probably perform better, because still needs to grow into his body and work on his jumper, but in 3 years, I cannot see anyway Haliburton is going to be a better player than Ball, and I don't think it would be even close. Haliburton is more on a George Hill level. Ball will be on a Ben Simmons level. No doubt Ball has more upside and can be a star at best case. Haliburton offers a high floor with his ability to fit into different lineups but doesn’t have that real high ceiling. George hill from Indiana isn’t a bad comp. I don’t know if there’s a great comp right now. He’s a unique player. His strengths are good passer, good spot up shooter and good defensive versatility. Weaknesses are explosiveness and scoring/shooting off the dribble. What player comes to mind with that ? |
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
7/30/2020 8:08 AM
martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho I don’t know either. I like to hope Frank is communicating with Leon and now Thibs. We’ll see I guess. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
7/30/2020 9:26 AM LAST EDITED: 7/30/2020 9:27 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho Do we have anyone on this roster that is better then either one of them. I don't know how much Leon Values frank or DSJ, When Leon was asks specifically about frank, he said he thinks frank can have success in the right situation...That can be here or any team in the league, and you can say that about 99% of NBA players Keep in mind that The cap space has proven to almost be worthless when your a really bad team. As far has Haliburton, he's a would be a decent pick ES
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
7/30/2020 9:33 AM
You are giving up assets for a player who is talented but also had decent talent around them... yet their teams are horrible. Now, you have little talent around that guy you acquired because you have up everything for him (like the Melo trade) and he has no history of winning in the NBA. Yes, it’s a terrible idea.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
7/30/2020 10:05 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:You are giving up assets for a player who is talented but also had decent talent around them... yet their teams are horrible. Now, you have little talent around that guy you acquired because you have up everything for him (like the Melo trade) and he has no history of winning in the NBA. Yes, it’s a terrible idea. I get your point, but how are you suggesting we turn this around fast ES
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martin
Posts: 76208 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
7/30/2020 10:59 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho I hope he is taking a million 3 point shots and also burning the midnight oil on finishing at the rim. And then psyching himself up and finding his inner Kobe Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Nalod
Posts: 71153 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
7/30/2020 6:21 PM
martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho No video’s then it did not happen! I like the ones with Mitch lighting it up vs. Midgets! |
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
7/30/2020 8:58 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:You are giving up assets for a player who is talented but also had decent talent around them... yet their teams are horrible. Now, you have little talent around that guy you acquired because you have up everything for him (like the Melo trade) and he has no history of winning in the NBA. Yes, it’s a terrible idea. I like the idea of signing Christian Wood. I like the idea of signing Bertans. I’m not against signing Gallo for cheap. I want to see how Rose drafts this Summer.... that’s if he doesn’t trade the pick(s). And above all, I want to see how RJ advances next season and I want to see if Mitch and Frank take their games to another level under Thibs. I will say, I think the videos of Mitch pretending to be Melo are silly. I’m good with him working on his shot. I’m not good if he’s attempting to be a one on one perimeter player. There is no clear direction though. I do know that we have given up a ton of assets for single players a lot of times, ever since we traded for McDyess. It never worked out. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
7/30/2020 9:01 PM
martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:fishmike wrote:Haliburton would be great. I think we trade the pick tho Agreed. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
7/30/2020 9:18 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:You are giving up assets for a player who is talented but also had decent talent around them... yet their teams are horrible. Now, you have little talent around that guy you acquired because you have up everything for him (like the Melo trade) and he has no history of winning in the NBA. Yes, it’s a terrible idea.
Nothing in NBA modern history shows you can turn it around fast. Someone will then cite the LBJ, Wade and Bosh teams, without the context that the groundwork for that team started four years before The Decision happened. Also the cap movement needed to make it happened started essentially two seasons before The Decision. No one turns it around fast. The cap environment and salary structure essentially make it near impossible. Progress is the Knicks winning 5-6 games more than the season before. |