What i cannot fathom is that almost all articles and rumors see US giving assets ( i'm not talking about a 2nd round pick but real assets) to OKC. For a 35 years old, injury prone and 40 millions a year for 3 years player.
If we trade for him, WE should expect real assets in return since it's likely that we're gonna be stuck with at most a serviceable player in a year.
Rose should be fired on the spot if it happens and shamed until the end of time with the likes of I Thomas, Fizz, etc

MS wrote:I would much rather add two players at that salary number.

Goran Dragic and Paul Milshap would both be solid additions.

Dragic and Milsap would be awesome on this team. But the Knicks are very very very unlikely to get them.

Remove all Tier 1 free agents. Then all Tier 2 free agents. Remove everyone with a player option, because in this environment, other than AD to sign a mega deal, everyone else is going to opt into their player option. Then casually remove nearly all restricted free agents , the only way the Knicks can entice those guys are more years/higher AAV than their market value, so the teams who won't match will not do so because the contract exceeds market value for said player. When some players see the market collapse and they won't get long term deals anyway, many who have already made money in the NBA will just ring chase.

You'll be stuck overpaying Tier 4 and Tier 5 free agents.

The Knicks are like a dirty pudgy guy with an average job and a ****ty car beater car at the gym. He's not getting the hardbodies is he? He's not even getting the recently divorced single moms trying to de-tub down to snare the next guy to pay off her credit cars. He's going to have to settle for the chicks who look like **** in yoga pants. When yoga pants are designed to work like ILM special effects for a woman's failure to win the war against gravity.

When the Knicks go into free agency, it's not a buffet, it's a box lunch special trying to the find the muffin top with the least likely chance to have ****ty credit.

Chris Paul, is he ideal for the Knicks? No, but he doesn't look like **** in yoga pants, he's not a muffin top and he probably can at least cook pasta and smile.

As much as it will break my heart and your heart and everyone's heart who loves the Knicks, we just aren't getting the ideal scenario. We gotta draft better and hope someone breaks out and we have to accept the best out of some unpleasant compromises.

smackeddog wrote:I could understand the reasoning (but still wouldn't agree with it) if next season was a normal season, but it won't be- likely it will either be delayed, disrupted or cancelled and there won't be fans in the stands. There's no point on taking on his salary for zero gain next season.

Was thinking the same thing. Before Covid I didn't see his salary as much of a burden. Knicks weren't going to land any top tier FAs, and I felt he would do wonders for RJ, Mitch, Frank, Knox & what ever lotto pick we land in the draft. He also has a lot of say among the players in the league. So a positive experience with CP3 would also do a lot towards fixing the rep the Knicks have around the league.

But the cap may drop, and there is a lot of things that can happen that will then turn that contract into a burden now.

If you just hired a Cap GURU, why should anyone be concern about his contract.

What's the other option, overpay a couple of role players on 2 yr deals, because no one is taking less $$ to play for a lottery team.

knicks1248 wrote:without 38 yr old jason kidd we won 37 games, with him we won 54.

If you just hired a Cap GURU, why should anyone be concern about his contract.

What's the other option, overpay a couple of role players on 2 yr deals, because no one is taking less $$ to play for a lottery team.

You proved your point. 38 year old Kidd by midseason was gassed. Bad back and he had no lift. He lost his shot. Because we did not have players to develop he left no legacy or lasting mentoring. Not his fault BTW. Knicks could not deliver a knock out punch to an aging Celtics team and by not doing so also were gassed in the second round. We had 5 players retire from that team and no lasting culture ensued. Thus, your simple point has no real meat to it.
Woodson did a good job but its not like he did a bad job the next year and was fired for it. It was the lack of talent and Phil went in a different direction.
As for Paul as a knick there are three factors:
1. His health
2. His contract
3. what is the make up of the team.

Since none of this is known replicationg the past is a waste of time. This notion that any coach will replicate his past is equally shortsighted. They will forge a new story, not repeat one already told.

Knixkik wrote:You definitely don't give up any real assets for him, but if we are just to take on his remaining contract, it's worth it.

Fact is that cap space would limit other opportinities. We are poised to make a trade with assets accumulated. Mitch, RJ, and our picks have value. Knox and Frank are not seen today as value but thats a story still to unfold.

funny, we read "since frank fired CAA Rose might want him out". Or "Rose sees value in him". The notion of revenge is ignorant. As to how he values Frank? The guy has had like 4 coaches in three seasons and now has his 3rd team president! It might be seen that Turmoil and his shoulder injjury last season are two elements that can be seen as circumstantial. Thing is, Frank is making progress and is young still. To what extent you extend the view will be up to Knicks, not fans view.

I like Chris Paul. I don't object him as a knick but as mentioned there are considerations to how that really works.

franco12 wrote:I appreciate adding a real PG can transform the team into a more competitive team. I think with the right tweaks, maybe we can chase the 8th slot next season, depending on what that scenario is like.

But, rather than pay CP3 $40m, I'd rather max out Fred VanVleet and pay him $40m a year in bitcoin under the table!

AND PS - if this trade were to happen, or is being seriously discussed, then this franchise is heading in the wrong direction and people that called out Rose for being another Dolan stoogie are absolutely right.

Funny, we slammed Phil and at the moment of truth, the moment he could have redeemed his past regressions as “Sleepy time Phil”, Dolan panics.
Rose is not alone in the journey and seems as if he has assembled an ensemble of talented front office that perhaps he might listen to. PHil tried to transition with a short window with Melo-Rose-Noah while creating a triangle culture for the long term. It did not work. Dolan might be insisting on a short window as well.
Remember, the owner sets the agenda and Dolan might be impatient.
While a young assistant hire promoted to head coach might tell us the team is willing to be patient a Thibs hire is not so telling. I will not say “since Thibs had XXX in Chitown or XXX in Minny, thens its a given Knicks are going to do .......”. Thats just silly waste of time.
I see Thibs like Larry brown. Fundamentally strong, methodical to a fault, and that can be used to bring up rookies. NBA is a mans game. Your getting paid to do your job. Not phuch around in practice!

unstopaball12 wrote:CP3 will lead us to wins and develop the game of RJ and hopefully Lamelo and Frank.

With the pandemic hitting small market teams, I don't see them resigning Gallo tbh and go for a rebuild.

I'd trade them Randle, DSJ, ellington's expiring contract and cash for CP3.

Looks like RJ/Frank/Knox/Mitch are the young guys they view as core pieces. Add another lottery pick this year. I cant think of a better way to accelerate the growth of young players like this than to get them a real coach (Thibs or Atkinson will do) and a real PG/floor general.