franco12 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:I mean we were loaded with vets last season. Technically, Knox and Frank and Dotson and Mitch will be vets next season too!

Payton, Randle, Morris. Portis. Taj Gibson. Ellington. Bullock.

Not a very young nor inexperienced group. Take out RJ and Mitchell and the roster is kinda garbage.

It was garbage. I think most of us had higher expectations but it turned out to be garbage. I’m just saying that we had and have plenty of vets as is so what Begley is saying isn’t really wrong.

houston20 wrote:
“I think you are going to see a heavy veteran presence on the roster. It’s not like they are going to roll the ball out and have a bunch of 19, 20, 21 year olds in the rotation.”

If a drafted player isn't producing or edging out of his optimal developmental window, the team has to give minutes to someone.

If Thibs is the coach, he's going to try to win every night. Whomever can help him win is going to play. It tended to be veterans on other teams because he had roster depth to do that. In NY, he likely won't.

The problem the Knicks have is they are unable to organically tank. Signing Morris for cap space then trading him is how you organically tank. You move veterans OFF the roster while recouping assets for them ( essentially converting cap space for draft picks ) and deplete the roster so that only young guys can play, and thus give them a chance to get experience on the floor to better assess them.

Sign guys only to one year deals or one year deals with a team option. Obviously this further limits who you can sign, but OK. In situations where your ONLY bargaining power is max years/max AAV, you are locking yourself into a contract where being non marketable is implied.

This is the part no one is going to like - Trading for Chris Paul solves a lot of side issues, though his contract is an issue all of its own to bear. He takes you closer to the cap floor so you aren't forced to sign 5th tier filler at 3rd tier rate contracts just to hit the salary floor. He gives you leadership and a player you can base your marketing around. His game is fading but he can still offer positive production. The contract forces you to only sign 1 year contract type players around him.

If you hire Thibs, then trying to trade for Chris Paul begins to make logistical sense. It is a concession you won't contend for a long time, but let's get real, the Knicks are not going to contend for a long time anyway.

TripleThreat wrote:

houston20 wrote:
“I think you are going to see a heavy veteran presence on the roster. It’s not like they are going to roll the ball out and have a bunch of 19, 20, 21 year olds in the rotation.”

If a drafted player isn't producing or edging out of his optimal developmental window, the team has to give minutes to someone.

If Thibs is the coach, he's going to try to win every night. Whomever can help him win is going to play. It tended to be veterans on other teams because he had roster depth to do that. In NY, he likely won't.

The problem the Knicks have is they are unable to organically tank. Signing Morris for cap space then trading him is how you organically tank. You move veterans OFF the roster while recouping assets for them ( essentially converting cap space for draft picks ) and deplete the roster so that only young guys can play, and thus give them a chance to get experience on the floor to better assess them.

Sign guys only to one year deals or one year deals with a team option. Obviously this further limits who you can sign, but OK. In situations where your ONLY bargaining power is max years/max AAV, you are locking yourself into a contract where being non marketable is implied.

This is the part no one is going to like - Trading for Chris Paul solves a lot of side issues, though his contract is an issue all of its own to bear. He takes you closer to the cap floor so you aren't forced to sign 5th tier filler at 3rd tier rate contracts just to hit the salary floor. He gives you leadership and a player you can base your marketing around. His game is fading but he can still offer positive production. The contract forces you to only sign 1 year contract type players around him.

If you hire Thibs, then trying to trade for Chris Paul begins to make logistical sense. It is a concession you won't contend for a long time, but let's get real, the Knicks are not going to contend for a long time anyway.

If they hire thibs and trade assets to get CP3 I am done with them for a few seasons. I honestly have better things to do now anyway.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.

We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.

Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.

In a perfect world, the knicks with mitch, RJ and the 2020 pick together with the Vets they plan to bring in can will alot more games while the rest of the youth(Iggy, frank, DSJ and company dominated the G-league and develop these players closer to their real potential. Is there a chance for the frontmen office brings down all our youth glued to the bench down the G league, that's what its for anyway.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It will be mitch and RJ in the starting lineup surrounded by vets. Think something along the lines of Mitch, Gallinari, Melo, and RJ with either Chris Paul (via trade) or Jeff Teague (via short term FA deal) as a starting 5. The only other guaranteed rotation player as far as 22 and under will be our lottery pick. Knox and Ntilikina are completely up in the air at this point. So in a 9 man rotation we are likely looking at 3 or 4 guys 22 and under and 5 or 6 older vets.

We don’t even know if Mitch is worthy of starting yet.

Obviously we need to have quality depth at center but he was staying out of foul trouble later in the year and is obviously a starting caliber center.

In today's era of the NBA Starting caliber Centers have jump shots (and most can shoot 3's)or an array of post moves that draw double teams. Mitch is just an athletic shot blocker who can guard a few positions and dunk, and a pretty one dimensional offensive player.

You can't start him unless you have snipers all around him 1 thru 4 because all he does is sit in the paint, making it easy for defenders to guard him and anyone penetrating.

Also, PnR. Mitch will start next year.

Yeah Mitch is a PnR guy and rim protector who can switch without issue. He’s fine as a modern center as long as he plays next to a stretch 4.