NardDogNation wrote:I see him as being a pretty good intangibles player and a nice fit with RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson in the frontcourt. The Magic are fairly expensive (more than $21 million over the cap next season) and I think that he might be a guy that could be made available. His offensive efficiency numbers have tanked this season, with the Magic continuing to play him out of position, and it's possible they look to do something else at that 3-spot. If so, what would it take to get him; particularly if we'd be willing go take on Al-Farouq Aminu's contract?

We need shooters, especially if we're building around Mitch and RJ as starters. Looking likely that whoever we draft won't be a good shooter either, so I'd be very hesitant at adding another non-shooter to the starting lineup

We could probably send them Julius and the 2021 Mav pick to do it. Aaron might have more potential, but he’s not that much better than Julius.

Ideally we would send the Clippers pick, the 2023 Mav pick, and Julius who is an expiring.

wargames wrote:Honestly the two Mavs picks would do it, though that might be a overpay.

We could probably send them Julius and the 2021 Mav pick to do it. Aaron might have more potential, but he’s not that much better than Julius.

Ideally we would send the Clippers pick, the 2023 Mav pick, and Julius who is an expiring.

I think he's worth more than that. The Magic have too many big men and don't need Randle. That means they'd be banking only on the value of those draft picks, which are not nearly as likely to get a player as good.

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

If the 2021 draft is every bit as deep as you say, why would you be so concerned with losing a spot or two in it? The 2023 pick is protected top-14, so we wouldn't be getting a lottery pick in any case.

At this point you’re just disagreeing to try and make a point that doesn’t need to be made. I explained why we shouldn’t trade Frank to the Mavs. I would be ok with him going to any other team in the league for Gordon. Also I think better perimeter defense could make the Mavs significantly better. Even last year they were attempting to get Patrick Beverly because they’ve identified that as their only major flaw.

2023 pick is protected top 10 and I actually support moving it. 2023 should be a weaker draft. The protections on it make limited it in a lot of ways as well. The 2021 and 2022 Drafts are slated to both be deep in talent and what is left will be in the 2023 draft.

Either way that’s just the way it is

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

If the 2021 draft is every bit as deep as you say, why would you be so concerned with losing a spot or two in it? The 2023 pick is protected top-14, so we wouldn't be getting a lottery pick in any case.

At this point you’re just disagreeing to try and make a point that doesn’t need to be made.I explained why we shouldn’t trade Frank to the Mavs. I would be ok with him going to any other team in the league for Gordon. Also I think better perimeter defense could make the Mavs significantly better. Even last year they were attempting to get Patrick Beverly because they’ve identified that as their only major flaw.

2023 pick is protected top 10 and I actually support moving it. 2023 should be a weaker draft. The protections on it make limited it in a lot of ways as well. The 2021 and 2022 Drafts are slated to both be deep in talent and what is left will be in the 2023 draft.

Either way that’s just the way it is

I'm not. I'm actually a fan of Ntilikina but even I don't understand your love for him. It's his 3rd year and first time posting a positive win-share (0.9) and win-share per 48 minutes (.037). By comparison, Jalen Brunson has a 2.3 WS and .108 yet you have Ntilikina on this pedestal as though he can instantly transform a team.

You're right about the protection on the 2023 pick though. In any case, I don't think Ntilikina would have a dramatic effect on it either.