Incidentally who do you think was better- Chris Childs or Charlie Ward?

Allanfan20 wrote:He was the last Knicks rookie to sign a second contract with the
knicks? Really Knicks? That bad?

ITs been quoted here many times by one very special poster. His name has 4 digits in it

smackeddog wrote:Knicks fan tv have had some great interviews lately- Rasheed Wallace, Felton and soon Kenton Martin.

Incidentally who do you think was better- Chris Childs or Charlie Ward?

Hey, that's a great thread topic! Compare which mediocre Knicks were better!

Greg Butler - Nazr Mohammed

Mo Cheeks - Rory Sparrow

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:He was the last Knicks rookie to sign a second contract with the
knicks? Really Knicks? That bad?

ITs been quoted here many times by one very special poster. His name has 4 digits in it

I say at least 4x during a season.

The sad part is that I don't think that trend is ending until RJ.

It's not even that the Knicks don't have patience, they just don't draft well and get a D+ in the development dept

1996: John Wallace (No. 18), Walter McCarty (No. 19), Dontae’ Jones (No. 21)
1997: John Thomas (No. 25)
1999: Frederick Weis (1999)
2000: Donnell Harvey (No. 22)
2002: Nene (No. 7)
2003: Michael Sweetney (No. 9)
2005: Channing Frye (No. 8), David Lee (No. 30)
2006: Renaldo Balkman (No. 20), Mardy Collins (No. 29)
2007: Wilson Chandler (No. 23)
2008: Danilo Gallinari (No. 6)
2009: Jordan Hill (No. 8)
2011: Iman Shumpert (No. 17)
2013: Tim Hardaway Jr. (No. 24)
2015: Kristaps Porzingis (No. 4)
2017: Frank Ntilikina (No. 8)
2018: Kevin Knox (No. 9)

There's like 2 or 3 players (kp, lee, Gallo)worth re-signing in the last 20 yrs.

Which is why i keeping SMH when we talk draft..were just not that good at it

Wait a second - didn't we technically Sign & Trade David Lee?

It's not that they've been bad with the draft - they've just traded away solid players.

Wilson Chandler and Gallinari both still played last year. What if instead of trading them for Melo, we'd actually kept them.

Same actually with all of them.

Was Nene playing last year? Another broken down garbage trade made by executives who thought you couldn't build through the draft and that we were one piece away from being competitive.

And what about Noah and Aldridge? I guess technically we didn't make those selections, but players that had we not done stupid things, kept our picks, would most certainly have been retained unless we were that stupid, and at times, we were.

GustavBahler wrote:

technomaster wrote:Ward was a direct sign to a second contract.

Technically speaking, the Knicks re-signed Tim Hardaway Jr... but as a FA from another team.

I think Chris Childs at his best was a better player... but there were so many years when Childs was just messed up for whatever reason.

A more interesting question: In today's NFL climate where the stigma of being a smallish QB is being melted away - would Ward have pushed for a career in the NFL? 5'10" Kyler Murray was drafted 1st overall and was ROY; just a year earlier 6'1" Baker Mayfield was drafted 1st overall as well).

Ward was listed as 6'2" but probably was closer to 6'0".

Remember when Childs took himself out of the starting lineup. Dont believe I ever saw that before, or since. Not unless a player was seriously hurt. Looking at the lack of PGs making it in NY, speaks (in part) to the pressure of playing at the Mecca. The glory days are in the past, but the pressure is still there.

So many PGs would get the job, and forget how to drive, shoot. Afraid to make a mistake. Or the other extreme, where the PG tries to do everything. Mark Jackson as a rook had the swagger, and the skills to run the offense, in NY. Need a PG with that kind of mentality again.

Ward didnt win you a lot of games,but he was steady. Need this in a PG as well.

I think I think it was a case of Childs quitting before he was fired. I read he didn't fit on the floor with Pat very well and Pat lobbied for Ward.